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Old 07-27-2009, 07:32 PM   #1
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50 year old service with service-entrance cable and Federal Pacific panels without main breakers. Owner wanted an upgrade to new owners meter/ panel. All Square D QO equipment, ground and bond to code, copper conductors, 200 SEC's, 100 amp mains, 125 amp 120/240 20 circuit MLO panels. Inspector had an issue with split-bolt connector used to join both the water ground and ground rod connections in the meter stack but passed it anyway.










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really nice job.. looks good to do that little "extra" and paint the plywood
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Yeah , real clean job. Looks like you go the extra mile for your customers. I used to use pvc for the riser, but i stopped doing it because they seem to sag.
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Is that the meter/main you were asking about the other day with finding more lugs?

Nice job, by the way. Good work with the LB's.
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Is that the meter/main you were asking about the other day with finding more lugs?

Nice job, by the way. Good work with the LB's.
Yup, that's the one. The LB's took some time to figure out and coordinate with the panels and floor joists. Next time I use one like this I have to make absolutely certain I have all the proper lugs/ ground busses. I had to bootleg a ground bar for the EGC's but inspector did not ask to look there. I did it with nuts and bolts but still....
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Before anyone says anything about it, the service attachment is being moved up but the POCO has to come and move it after they get the cut-in card. Hopefully they'll for a nice drip loop.
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what did you use to build over the waste pipes for the plywood?
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Before anyone says anything about it, the service attachment is being moved up but the POCO has to come and move it after they get the cut-in card. Hopefully they'll for a nice drip loop.
I sorta figured they hadn't been there yet, since there isn't a glass in that unused meter hole yet. Doesn't look like there are even cables in that panel yet. Looks like you've got more work down the road at this place, eh?
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what did you use to build over the waste pipes for the plywood?
Pressure treated 2x4's against the foundation wall, then regular 2x4's. I think I needed 4 on each side to get 6" and get over that pipe and 3/4" plywood. I made an effort not to cover up the fitting in case they ever need to replace them which they probaly will need to do sooner rather than later.

If you notice in the first picture you see the house across the street is new. Well, there are 4 new houses and the owner believes these 4 houses are tied into the same sewer line and every so often it backs up into her waste water pipes and leaks onto her water main. That's why she has a garbage bag over the main water shutoff valve because 3 times now she's had to replace it in the past few years. Don't they have engineers who figure this crap out before building 4 new houses?
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Pressure treated 2x4's against the foundation wall, then regular 2x4's. I think I needed 4 on each side to get 6" and get over that pipe and 3/4" plywood.
Wowzer. Why didn't you just hang it? Looks like the joists ran the right way.
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Don't they have engineers who figure this crap out before building 4 new houses?
I'm sure she pays a sewer tax and the town should be responsible for keeping the sewage out of her basement.
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I'm sure she pays a sewer tax and the town should be responsible for keeping the sewage out of her basement.
I did some work at a guy's house where he had rigged up a pretty elaborate back flow preventer on the sewer line. He left the cleanout cap off in the yard all the time, and he reported that sometimes he'd have a mini sewer geyser in the yard. That would have been funny to see.

Sewer in the yard is better than backing up inside the house, I suppose.
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Nice work man. Like the LB's. I think im going to switch to grey paint for the panels like yours. Ive been using flat black.
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Nice job man.

I agree about the Grey paint as well, it does look nicer than black.
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Wowzer. Why didn't you just hang it? Looks like the joists ran the right way.
What do you mean by hanging it? Nailing a 2x4 across the joists and attaching it at the bottom?

If I did it like that then I would have had an issue with the conduit sweeps if that's what you're talking about.

I used the gray paint like this for the first time. I usually use black and have used blue once just for the hell of it. I like the way the gray looks too. Next thing I want to do is ad a routed edge.
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Nice work man. Like the LB's. I think im going to switch to grey paint for the panels like yours. Ive been using flat black.
The LB's were a little bit of a pain in the butt. The one on the far left I used two prefab 45's with a 2-3" section between them. It took a little while to figure it all out. I hate to say it but I was there from 7:30AM till 10:00PM. I had my laid off from work help me. He's handy with construction work but never did anything like this before.
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What do you mean by hanging it? Nailing a 2x4 across the joists and attaching it at the bottom?

If I did it like that then I would have had an issue with the conduit sweeps if that's what you're talking about.

I used the gray paint like this for the first time. I usually use black and have used blue once just for the hell of it. I like the way the gray looks too. Next thing I want to do is ad a routed edge.
LOL i route edges for mounting outside stuff to wood, like pool equipment. I know its a sickness..
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I do have the carpentry bug for sure. You should check out Contractor Talk some time and look at the carpentry section. I built a killer garden arbor for my mother this spring.

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50 year old service with service-entrance cable and Federal Pacific panels without main breakers. Owner wanted an upgrade to new owners meter/ panel. All Square D QO equipment, ground and bond to code, copper conductors, 200 SEC's, 100 amp mains, 125 amp 120/240 20 circuit MLO panels. Inspector had an issue with split-bolt connector used to join both the water ground and ground rod connections in the meter stack but passed it anyway.










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The LB's look like chit under the meters against the house. Should've done all that INSIDE.
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