MDShunk

You're nuts. Inside would have meant coming out of the back of the meter can and putting LB's in the living room or something.

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Bob Badger

Yeah or dropping the meter bank down to the ground.

I think if the HOs got out some matching red paint this service would all but disappear. Paint it all except the glass on the meters.

Peter D

mikeg_05

Yeah lol, the only other thing he could have done was set a gutter under the meter pack. I think it looks great, like everyone said, the grey paint was a good idea. I think ill have to get a can for the van.

220/221

I agree. You have the beautiful chain link fence, a bent up gutter, the nice telco wiring and JB, the gorgeous asbestos shingles and you muck it all up with three LB's.

I would have used sealtite


That said......Couldn't you have used cable down the wall?

MDShunk

With the thickness of these old rubble foundations, it's pretty tricky to get a hole drilled up into the bottom plate. Quite often, the stones are covering the entire bottom plate.

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220/221

Rubble foundations? You live in Bedrock




I'm confused

The feeders are above the plate in/thru the wall......right?

MDShunk

They come through the band board, which is below the bottom plate of the wall.

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Black4Truck

On top of the foundation wall, there is a 2x6 plate, which is bolted to the foundation.

Then there is a rim joist that is same height of floor beams and runs around the outside wall.. that is where you drill holes for service pipes

Magnettica

Exactly. You probably already know this but that 2x6 that gets attached to the foundation wall is called the sill plate. I always come through the rim joists compared to the foundation wall because A) it's easier, B) less work getting the conduit into the panel, and C) because you never know what kind of damage you might do to the foundation especially if it's an old house, and around here there are a lot of old houses.

As you can see with the original service, the feeders are close to the ground and were badly damaged over the years from accidental contact with a lawnmower. This is one of the reasons why I chose conduit over SE cable. The other reason is because copper is better than aluminum.

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220/221

I'm just trying to understand.

The band board is simply blocking between the floor joists, right?

If yo wanted to, you could simply remove one and have easy access to the bottom plate, right?

Magnettica

Little more work to do.

All that's left is to remove two existing circuits from the second floor panel and relocate them to the owners panel.

One is the basement lights, the other is the smoke detector circuit.

Actually, I'm going to combine those two circuits into one so if there's an issue with the smokes they won't be able to shut off the lights without addressing the smoke detector issue.

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Magnettica

You guys don't have basements in the desert?

Here is the best picture I could find for now..

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220/221

So you could have drilled up thru the bottom plate and accessed the wall cavity if you wanted to run concealed cable.

That's all I was wondering.

If I have a choice between concealed cable and conduit, I would generally choose cable for the ease of installation.

Plus it would keep the Long Island guy off my back

Bob Badger

Yeah I guess he could have in this case as it looks like there are service disconnects outside.

Normally in my area there is no outside disconnect so the conductors leaving the meter are service conductors and can not be run inside the wall.

Black4Truck

We never do concealed cable here.. everything has to be changed sooner or later and exposed is MUCH easier.

We never use flex pvc either.. must be a regional thing.

Black4Truck

What Long Island guy would that be??

MDShunk

Yeah, except that rubble foundations are MUCH THICKER than the illustration, and the floor joists are much shorter than modern floor joists, it's a real trick to get drilled up into an outside wall in an old home in the northeast. I'm not trying to act like it's an impossible feat, but what I am saying is that I'd have done it exactly like Mag also.

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Kevin J

The only thing I might have done would be use a gutter, but then again, looking at the place, you done about the best job that could be done. Like they say, no use in trying to polish a turd.

BIGRED

Nice, neat and clean! Are people still paying for work like that?