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InPhase277 · 08-25-2009, 12:07 AM

Tsk, tsk... not a single AFCI in that panel

MDShunk · 08-25-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by InPhase277

Tsk, tsk... not a single AFCI in that panel

What jurisdiction requires that for a service upgrade? That's... well... just mean.

480sparky · 08-25-2009, 12:12 AM

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What jurisdiction requires that for a service upgrade? That's... well... just mean.

Three that I work in.

oldman · 08-25-2009, 12:13 AM

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In my case, I stock up simply so that I don't have to deal with fetching material nearly so often. Lets me concentrate on other things. I'm not buying 800 grand worth of romex, but I might get a few pallets at a go if it's a good deal. I usually don't stock more than I used last year, in total. For instance, if I'm running low on 2-1/8" deep handy boxes, I might buy 6 or 8 cases. I know I'll use them in a year. QuickBooks is pretty slick, in that I can look that sort of stuff up pretty quickly. I actually don't care that I have that money tied up, because having the inventory all situated is a stress reliever for me. You can't really put a price on that. In some situations, I'm forced to stock things. When I use a sufficient amount of a certain special order item, I feel compelled to stock it. Matter of fact, if I want to continue using it, I almost must stock it.

for us, it never served a purpose...1) when we did a lot of resi service, the guys didn't come into the shop everyday (they took the vans home)...and they would typically pass 3 supply houses on their way back to the shop to get material from stock....2) now that we do almost exclusively commercial service and new work, I only stock items that are not common but that we use often...i.e 50A twist locks, assorted motor starters, etc...

service work is priced at the time based on the material prices at that moment, whether flat rate or T&M....contract work is bought on PO's and delivered directly to the jobsites as needed...

personal preference...

MDShunk · 08-25-2009, 12:13 AM

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Three that I work in.

Yikes. How's that working out for your existing MWBC's? You just combine them and check the total load?

480sparky · 08-25-2009, 12:16 AM

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Yikes. How's that working out for your existing MWBC's? You just combine them and check the total load?

Yep. Otherwise, one of them gets a new HR. But so far, I haven't had much trouble. MWBCs apparently weren't fashionable back in the day.
I have yet to hear what the new State Electrical Board is going to require.

Black4Truck · 08-25-2009, 12:20 AM

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Yep. Otherwise, one of them gets a new HR. But so far, I haven't had much trouble. MWBCs apparently weren't fashionable back in the day.
I have yet to hear what the new State Electrical Board is going to require.

YIKES.. they sure have some strange customs there in Iowa.

Why can't they be like the rest of the states and "grandfather" existing circuits to the code when they were installed

InPhase277 · 08-25-2009, 12:32 AM

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YIKES.. they sure have some strange customs there in Iowa.

Why can't they be like the rest of the states and "grandfather" existing circuits to the code when they were installed

In Dekalb County Georgia, a service upgrade requires that all circuits that are required to be GFCI protected in the current code, be so. Thus, if your old house only has one kitchen circuit, and the bathroom receptacle is fed from the bedroom on the other side, then your service upgrade means adding at least a couple of new circuits and installing GFCI receptacles.

480sparky · 08-25-2009, 12:39 AM

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........and the bathroom receptacle is fed from the bedroom on the other side, then your service upgrade means adding at least a couple of new circuits .........

Once bath circuit is all that is required.

InPhase277 · 08-25-2009, 12:41 AM

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Once bath circuit is all that is required.

Yes, and two kitchen counter circuits. That was what I was saying. If you have one kitchen circuit and a bath fed from another circuit, you will be required to add at least two, one for the bath, one for the kitchen.

oldman · 08-25-2009, 12:41 AM

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Once bath circuit is all that is required.

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In Dekalb County Georgia, a service upgrade requires that all circuits that are required to be GFCI protected in the current code, be so. Thus, if your old house only has one kitchen circuit, and the bathroom receptacle is fed from the bedroom on the other side, then your service upgrade means adding at least a couple of new circuits and installing GFCI receptacles.

just like the code, you have to read the entire sentence...

Kevin J · 08-25-2009, 10:13 PM

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In Dekalb County Georgia, a service upgrade requires that all circuits that are required to be GFCI protected in the current code, be so. Thus, if your old house only has one kitchen circuit, and the bathroom receptacle is fed from the bedroom on the other side, then your service upgrade means adding at least a couple of new circuits and installing GFCI receptacles.

Same here.

480sparky · 08-25-2009, 10:29 PM

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just like the code, you have to read the entire sentence...

I get the second SABC. But why do you need another bath circuit?

Black4Truck · 08-25-2009, 10:31 PM

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In Dekalb County Georgia, a service upgrade requires that all circuits that are required to be GFCI protected in the current code, be so. Thus, if your old house only has one kitchen circuit, and the bathroom receptacle is fed from the bedroom on the other side, then your service upgrade means adding at least a couple of new circuits and installing GFCI receptacles.

That is just plain wrong

Sounds like Dekalb County is just trying to drum up business for the local EC.

I bet somewhere in the food chain someone got "stroked" to pass a law like that

oldman · 08-25-2009, 10:31 PM

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I get the second SABC. But why do you need another bath circuit?

not another one...one period...but it's not there, so he has to now add it...

steelersman · 08-25-2009, 10:51 PM

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ok....lets say you bought 10,000 feet of 14/2 romex at $20/250 ft....or $80/1000...you tie up $800,000?

Fuzzy math oldman. According to my calculations, at $20/250' 10,000' of romex would cost $800, not $800,000. I don't know, maybe my math skills are way off. You tell me.

oldman · 08-25-2009, 11:09 PM

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Fuzzy math oldman. According to my calculations, at $20/250' 10,000' of romex would cost $800, not $800,000. I don't know, maybe my math skills are way off. You tell me.

ah, you are probably right...i need a calculator to figure out what time it is in the am...

but, if you had to pay $80/ft, ida been right

mikeg_05 · 08-25-2009, 11:16 PM

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Finished product.

Looks good man

You took chicken sh*t and made chicken soup.

ralph · 08-25-2009, 11:35 PM

i usually stick with supply houses, but I have heard of people going to the contractors bid desk at HD, and dealing some REAL low prices on pallets of wire.

Black4Truck · 08-25-2009, 11:40 PM

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i usually stick with supply houses, but I have heard of people going to the contractors bid desk at HD, and dealing some REAL low prices on pallets of wire.

HD sends out fliers about pallets of wire.. sometimes it is ALOT cheaper than supply house.

MODERN wire never goes bad and if you have the room and the work, get a quote