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04-17-2009, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by s.kelly
I was on a job in Williamsburg VA this winter. The fire marshals there have realized they do have police power. They actualy carry a firearm. At first I thought it was one cowboy, but then 2 showed up together armed. Guess you better not block that exit in that town!
Anybody else see this out of fire marshals?
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What part of m arshal don't you understand? 
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A permit is another word for special government permission to perform an activity that would otherwise be illegal. Gee, electricians perform work that would normally be illegal. Weird when you think about it in that way.
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Prostitution is another strange one with goofy laws. It's illegal to sell sex, but you can give it away.
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04-17-2009, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
It's illegal to sell sex, but you can give it away.
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not in some parts of Nevada.
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04-17-2009, 10:02 PM
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not in some parts of Nevada.
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Like I said..........
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04-17-2009, 10:30 PM
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Like I said..........
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technically what you said was a blanket statement that isn't true everywhere.
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04-17-2009, 10:43 PM
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technically what you said was a blanket statement that isn't true everywhere.
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There's an exception to every rule. And the exception proves the rule.
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04-17-2009, 10:45 PM
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Ja ja ja...
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04-22-2009, 12:24 AM
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So here is the deal,
From what i read you are thinking about an upgrade?
100 to 200 amp service needing a permit which involves the
AHJ and the Poco.
One reason the poco needs to be involved is unless your climbing
the pole or pulling new service conductors underground yourself
more than likely the conductors are sized for the load at the service now.
You double the load on the entrance conductors without upsizing
hm....... whats that burning smell.
Just my thought
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04-22-2009, 01:28 AM
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Wassup Guys! I'm a new booty contractor and I was just wondering about you guys' thoughts on how much a customer really saves by not going through the city to buy a permit? Is it a very unsafe practice? Just wanted some old school professional contracting thoughts. Thanks guys
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I'll respond,then I'll read all the posts.
Contracting 'Booty' in Mass. is a crime. Punishment is big. but some times 'Booty' is worth it. NOT!
Electrical work, a permit is worth (depending on the town) $45 to $100.
So that is what the customer saves. The EC with out proper paper work..Their cost,an entire career.
Rather silly question. For a legit EC. Besides,even with insurance,your carrier will not cover it.
Your cost is far more than an HO's savings.
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04-22-2009, 01:40 AM
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I got a traffic ticket from a forest ranger once. First time it ever really clicked that they're a police department too.
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Here,they have more jurisdiction and authority than 'Staties',They are Federal.
And some same sex couples are Lesbian. Now thats Gay!
Hey,They make the distinction not me!!! 
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04-22-2009, 03:56 AM
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What part of m arshal don't you understand?
Prostitution is another strange one with goofy laws. It's illegal to sell sex, but you can give it away. |
So is spitting on the subway. But throwing up is OK...
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04-26-2009, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
Permits aka unnecessary government intervention are to be avoided if at all possible.
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PERMITS! we don't need no stinkin' PERMITS!
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04-26-2009, 09:06 PM
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In WV state fire marshalls are armed and have arrest powers. In my town guy builds a retaining wall facing sidewalk without permit and without any clue as to how to build one. City inspector tells him he must tear it down, hazard. He ignores inspector, goes to jail.
/s/ Jim WIlliams
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04-26-2009, 09:16 PM
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PERMITS! we don't need no stinkin' PERMITS! |
Precisely. Government employees with unauthorized power to search someone's dwelling unit should be denied that access whenever possible.
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04-26-2009, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
Precisely. Government employees with unauthorized power to search someone's dwelling unit should be denied that access whenever possible.
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Around here if you deny them access all they got to do is get a search warrant and the bring a policeman next time and the homeowner can't do anything but watch.
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04-26-2009, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by william1978
Around here if you deny them access all they got to do is get a search warrant and the bring a policeman next time and the homeowner can't do anything but watch.
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Seems a little backwards, doesn't it? 
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06-17-2009, 09:15 AM
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I've had inspectors show up with stop work orders,,,,,,,,,and throw everybody off the job,,,,and if you won't leave,,,he's bringing the sherriff,,,,,,,,it's always been unpermitted work when this happens,,,,,
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06-17-2009, 09:30 AM
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I just paid $78 for a permit to relocate the feed for flat rate water tank to the panel.
Had to do it as Toronto Hydro would not remove the flat rate billing until they had inspection number.
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06-17-2009, 05:00 PM
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Permits aka unnecessary government intervention are to be avoided if at all possible.
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Fight the power! 
Permits are only necessary when home owners, hacks and handymen are doing the work.
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06-18-2009, 04:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 480sparky
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If the POCO finds a service that has been changed without all the paperwork and such being in order, they will (and have) cut the service off until they are satisfied the job is done by a licensed EC and permits are obtained.
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I guess you don't have many lawyers in your neck of the woods. It is next to IMPOSSIBLE for the utilities here to cut off service without jumping through a lot of legal hoops, including proof of adequate prior notification to the inhabitants.
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If someone manages to get the new service hooked up and energized without the POCO or AHJ noticing, then there is a chance they may save a few bucks. But how much will the HO save when the house burns down, and the insurance company says "Well, you didn't file a permit for the work that caused the fire, so we're not paying."?
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THIS IS A SCARE TACTIC.
I'd like ANYONE here to show just ONCE where an insurer has denied payment on this basis. DO you really think the insurance company sifts through the ashes, finds work that might be newer or an alteration, searches the records for permits issued, and then denies payment?
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On the flip side, your profile says your an EC. You should know better than this. Trying to 'sneak' a new service past the POCO and AHJ jeopardizes your license. And for what? Do you benefit from saving the HO $100 or so?
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