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BBQ · 04-24-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Little-Lectric

0780-02-01-10 Service Entrance Conductors
Service entrance conductors shall be installed in conduit where such conductors serve a structure with exterior walls of brick, stone, masonry, metal or metal clad.

Nice

... really or are you pulling my chain?

BBQ · 04-24-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

That would be great if they posted reasons but for the most part they do not and you have to call them and ask about an individual's case.

Actually they do post the reasons.

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110.12 is enforced in residential job's much more strictly than in commercial work believe me I have been to plenty of Inspections in both ,

And why is that?

Could it be lack of will to fight the inspector?

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If you think that install would get passed by any inspector around here I can sell you fenway park real cheap..

Do I think an inspector would like to pass it?

No

Do I think I could successfully fight a 110.12 fail on that?

Yes, absolutely even though it is in fact craptacular.

hoangd · 04-24-2012, 04:43 PM

i bet you the unhappy customer is not gonna pay you.

Little-Lectric · 04-24-2012, 08:26 PM

duplicate

Little-Lectric · 04-24-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BBQ

Nice

... really or are you pulling my chain?

Nope, no chain pulling. Ask Augie47 over at MH, he's in Tn too.
I don't have to agree with it, just comply with it.

noarcflash · 04-24-2012, 10:31 PM

fails in
"workman like manner"

and it's obviously a new service with cardboard blocking the meter pans. waiting for meters to be installed.

Jlarson · 04-24-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

Revoke his license for unprofessional conduct.

I'd level a heck of a nice lawsuit. It should be pretty obvious that neatness is not a saftey issue and has no place in a code. The style manual even backs that up

Seems to me one would have a pretty good case for license reinstatement + damages and legal costs.

wendon · 04-24-2012, 11:08 PM

Let me guess, used 60 amp fuse panels on the other end???

HARRY304E · 04-24-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BBQ

And why is that?

Could it be lack of will to fight the inspector?

No it is called being smart enough not to question his authority unless he is making an unreasonable request.

But by all means give the inspectors a hard time and when you standing before the board explaining your actions even if you are right and the board sides with the inspector You get the yellow stripe on your license link, because they gave you a fine that stays there forever.

But hey you are not using your license to run your business so that yellow stripe will never be seen in your case.

I am ,and my license number must appear on all permits advertisements invoices and quotes and my customers can run it and see that i have no violations.

You really think the board is going to put their stamp of approval on that service..

HARRY304E · 04-24-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BBQ

Actually they do post the reasons.

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Why don't you read my post again I said some not all 100' s suspension fines and revocation's last year alone and just about none of the information was made public if you want the info about license violations you have to call and ask for it.

16 guys went before the board last month and were either fined suspended or revoked and it does not tell you why.

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If you require further information, please call the Office of Investigations (Division of Professional Licensure) at

LightsOn81 · 04-24-2012, 11:43 PM

Ugly is against the NEC 110.12 I think. Cletis wouldn't have done that.

HARRY304E · 04-24-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jlarson

I'd level a heck of a nice lawsuit. It should be pretty obvious that neatness is not a saftey issue and has no place in a code. The style manual even backs that up

Seems to me one would have a pretty good case for license reinstatement + damages and legal costs.

The state would side with the board of examiners the law suit would go no where.

BBQ can laugh all he want till they rip his license up in front of his face and throw it in the floor...

BTW the state did not adopt the The style manual

They adopted the 2011 NEC as written with amenments and there are no changes to 110.12 in the Massachusetts Electrical Code..

Jlarson · 04-25-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BBQ

The board publishes who gets punished, please feel free to post a license suspension for only N&W.

I'd like to see that too.

I've seen people loose professional licenses for some real bull s1ht reasons, some just because they were a convenient scape goat but this would be a whole new level of BS.

LARMGUY · 04-25-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by B4T

There really is nothing wrong with the service.. ugly is not against the NEC..

It just shows nothing to be proud of..

Correct. You can fix ugly but you cannot fix stupid.

nolabama · 04-25-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

The state would side with the board of examiners the law suit would go no where.

BBQ can laugh all he want till they rip his license up in front of his face and throw it in the floor...

BTW the state did not adopt the The style manual

They adopted the 2011 NEC as written with amenments and there are no changes to 110.12 in the Massachusetts Electrical Code..

It wouldnt make it out of the parish to get to the state level round here. The only way that service would pass in New Orleans is if a brown sack of hundres dollar bills was included with the check to the inspector.

Theriot · 04-25-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by nolabama

It wouldnt make it out of the parish to get to the state level round here. The only way that service would pass in New Orleans is if a brown sack of hundres dollar bills was included with the check to the inspector.

It must be slowing down in New Orleans because I'm starting to see more guys from the big easy over here.

user4818 · 04-26-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

No it is called being smart enough not to question his authority unless he is making an unreasonable request.

But by all means give the inspectors a hard time and when you standing before the board explaining your actions even if you are right and the board sides with the inspector You get the yellow stripe on your license link, because they gave you a fine that stays there forever.

So as usual Harry is ok with heavy handed government enforcement as long as it benefits the electrical trade, but big government is bad everywhere else.

Conclusion: your credibility = 0.

3rdgenwireman · 04-26-2012, 09:24 PM

Cletis cracks me up on a lot of posts and I even agree with some of his replies, but that OP pic looks like hammered dog ****.

kevink1955 · 04-26-2012, 11:38 PM

WoW,I just joined yesterday and that hurt my eyes.

That would not fly here, not sure if it is the inspectors or the utility but you never see a service around here without all the cable sleaved in at least PVC to the 8 foot level.

Was in PA a while back and was surprised to see the load side of the meter pan just run in SE cable with no protection at all.

Magnettica · 04-28-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter D

So as usual Harry is ok with heavy handed government enforcement as long as it benefits the electrical trade, but big government is bad everywhere else.

Conclusion: your credibility = 0.

I disagree. The government does have role in our lives. It provide services that we can't do for ourselves. Obviously, Harry cannot enforce non-licensed "electricians" without the help of local government. Government is NOT YOUR DADDY, but they should be like your uncle.