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svh19044 · 03-23-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MDShunk

I have no idea. Always kept them in stock. Hate to run for material. Try to keep that to a bare minimum. I don't have enough day in my day. Time spent rounding up material is wasted time.

How many panels does your company do each week? Or per day? It's a panel that has never been an issue, and other than the 200amp main debacle from seimens about a year ago, I don't recall any scenario that would relate.

HARRY304E · 03-23-2012, 10:59 PM

Looks good nice job.

Remember some times you go ahead and do a job and in the end wonder WTF was i thinking..

So don't sweat it...

**MDShunk** · 03-23-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by svh19044

How many panels does your company do each week? Or per day? It's a panel that has never been an issue, and other than the 200amp main debacle from seimens about a year ago, I don't recall any scenario that would relate.

I see that you're taking this way more personal than I intended, so I'll back up.

Stock common items. That's all I'm saying. Running to the supply house all the time is a royal waste of time. (unless you like bad coffee).

svh19044 · 03-23-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MDShunk

I see that you're taking this way more personal than I intended, so I'll back up.

Stock common items. That's all I'm saying. Running to the supply house all the time is a royal waste of time. (unless you like bad coffee).

It's not personal at all? It was a simple question about how many common stock panels you have in your inventory. We choose not to stock a panel that is normally available.....everywhere. We do a whole bunch of these panels every week, and it was odd that nobody had a 40/40, but again, what kind of difference does it make anyway? What is your sound reasoning in this scenario....And again, keep in mind my title that this is partially what I don't like about the "new" panel. It's current code, but it's pretty stupid. The 40/40 would be just as filled as the 30/40.

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

Looks good nice job.

Remember some times you go ahead and do a job and in the end wonder WTF was i thinking..

So don't sweat it...

In this case, I guess it didn't matter. I could have charged a lot more, cleaned up the sub, added another sub off it, and possibly not get the job, or I could do as the inspector said.

HARRY304E · 03-23-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MDShunk

I see that you're taking this way more personal than I intended, so I'll back up.

Stock common items. That's all I'm saying. Running to the supply house all the time is a royal waste of time. (unless you like bad coffee).

Never drink the coffee or eat the hot dogs at the supply house...

svh19044 · 03-23-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

Never drink the coffee or eat the hot dogs at the supply house...

Hot dogs and popcorn are good, the coffee...that's a different story.

HARRY304E · 03-23-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by svh19044

In this case, I guess it didn't matter. I could have charged a lot more, cleaned up the sub, added another sub off it, and possibly not get the job, or I could do as the inspector said.

Well the job is done.

The good new is we will all get up tomorrow and find a new way to make mistakes.

The key is ,Is to catch them before we make them,,Sometimes it does not always work out,I have made plenty..

svh19044 · 03-23-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

Well the job is done.

The good new is we will all get up tomorrow and find a new way to make mistakes.

The key is ,Is to catch them before we make them,,Sometimes it does not always work out,I have made plenty..

...but the jobs not done.

What else can I do other than not making pretty bends in the feed and not using a 40/40 instead of a 30/40 (same result)....

A 40/40 SUB off of this sub would be the best option IMO, but again, price...as usual, comes in to play. That's what I would have done if I could, charge a couple hundred more (and more than likely still get the job) and add a sub off the sub, as well as clean up the pictured old sub. I'd say, looking back, that was my biggest mistake and something we at the company will have to keep in mind (this wasn't my estimate either).

HARRY304E · 03-23-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by svh19044

Hot dogs and popcorn are good, the coffee...that's a different story.

One of the counter guys says yesterdays coffee fresh today..

HARRY304E · 03-23-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by svh19044

...but the jobs not done.

Oh!

I forgot that part of your post...

MHElectric · 03-23-2012, 11:21 PM

Dang, I thought my supply house was the only place with worse coffee than a truck stop. Believe me, I can make a STRONG pot of coffee, but it still doesn't taste like their toilet water!

HARRY304E · 03-23-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MHElectric

Dang, I thought my supply house was the only place with worse coffee than a truck stop. Believe me, I can make a STRONG pot of coffee, but it still doesn't taste like their toilet water!

I would not put it past the counter guys to make the coffee from toilet water!.

Ever wonder why they are always drinking coffee from the doughnut shop?

3xdad · 03-23-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

Remember some times you go ahead and do a job and in the end wonder WTF was i thinking..

That'd make a good sig line right there.

MHElectric · 03-23-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

I would not put it past the counter guys to make the coffee from toilet water!.

Ever wonder why they are always drinking coffee from the doughnut shop?

You might be onto something!

sarness · 03-24-2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

One of the counter guys says yesterdays coffee fresh today..

They guy that ran the parts department where I worked would drink Friday's coffee on Monday that sat on the burner all weekend.

JHFWIC · 03-24-2012, 08:44 AM

I say you did a good job, you took a bucket of hair and cleaned it up where it wont scare a home owner.

EJPHI · 04-14-2012, 03:01 PM

svh19044

That is a fine looking piece of work!

Is there any complaint from the AHJ about the white wires on the DP breakers?

It would be a real pain to mark them red on both ends.

EJPHI

Magnettica · 04-15-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by EJPHI

svh19044

That is a fine looking piece of work!

Is there any complaint from the AHJ about the white wires on the DP breakers?

It would be a real pain to mark them red on both ends.

EJPHI

I noticed that too. The ungrounded conductors must be identified as ungrounded conductors in this application.

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310.12 Conductor Identification.

(C) Ungrounded Conductors. Conductors that are intended
for use as ungrounded conductors, whether used as a
single conductor or in multiconductor cables, shall be finished
to be clearly distinguishable from grounded and
grounding conductors. Distinguishing markings shall not
conflict in any manner with the surface markings required
by 310.11(B)(1). Branch-circuit ungrounded conductors
shall be identified in accordance with 210.5(C). Feeders
shall be identified in accordance with 215.12.

Magnettica · 04-15-2012, 03:41 AM

210.5 (C)

(C) Ungrounded Conductors. Where the premises wiring
system has branch circuits supplied from more than one
nominal voltage system, each ungrounded conductor of a
branch circuit shall be identified by phase or line and system
at all termination, connection, and splice points. The
means of identification shall be permitted to be by separate
color coding, marking tape, tagging, or other approved
means. The method utilized for conductors originating
within each branch-circuit panelboard or similar branchcircuit
distribution equipment shall be documented in a
manner that is readily available or shall be permanently
posted at each branch-circuit panelboard or similar branchcircuit
distribution equipment.

Magnettica · 04-15-2012, 03:42 AM

215.12 Identification for Feeders.

(A) Grounded Conductor. The grounded conductor of a
feeder shall be identified in accordance with 200.6.
(B) Equipment Grounding Conductor. The equipment
grounding conductor shall be identified in accordance with
250.119.
(C) Ungrounded Conductors. Where the premises wiring
system has feeders supplied from more than one nominal
voltage system, each ungrounded conductor of a feeder
shall be identified by phase or line and system at all termination,
connection, and splice points. The means of identification
shall be permitted to be by separate color coding,
marking tape, tagging, or other approved means. The
method utilized for conductors originating within each
feeder panelboard or similar feeder distribution equipment
shall be documented in a manner that is readily available or
shall be permanently posted at each feeder panelboard or
similar feeder distribution equipment.