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06-27-2009, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NolaTigaBait
The whole point of that panel in NOT to have to use a 200 breaker...i'd use a 125 or a 100 and bring all of my bigger loads into that panel, and use the sub panel as lighting and general use...secure them?...i'm not back-feeding the breaker, the buss is always hot, so i don't have to use a hold down kit....right?
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Dude, how the hell do you think the buss would always be hot? The main breaker kills the buss.
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06-27-2009, 08:07 PM
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child please.....
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Originally Posted by steelersman
Dude, how the hell do you think the buss would always be hot? The main breaker kills the buss.
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dude...no....picture this its an all in one meter combo with 12 spaces...the lugs from the load side of the meter are bolted on to the main buss....making the whole panel HOT all the time...then you bring your heavy loads i.e. a/c, range, water heater, etc...(remember no more than 6 disconnects)...then i would get either a 100 or 125 and feed the sub-panel inside...
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06-27-2009, 08:10 PM
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child please.....
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I'll try to find one and post a picture.
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06-27-2009, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NolaTigaBait
dude...no....picture this its an all in one meter combo with 12 spaces...the lugs from the load side of the meter are bolted on to the main buss....making the whole panel HOT all the time...then you bring your heavy loads i.e. a/c, range, water heater, etc...(remember no more than 6 disconnects)...then i would get either a 100 or 125 and feed the sub-panel inside...
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Ok I get what you're saying although I've never seen that, but I'm talking about what 220/221 is installing from the pics.
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06-27-2009, 08:15 PM
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Not Peter D
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Originally Posted by steelersman
Ok I get what you're saying although I've never seen that, but I'm talking about what 220/221 is installing from the pics.
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Yeah, those ones he installs always have a main.
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06-27-2009, 08:40 PM
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I still want to know why the panels out there are all on the outside of the home instead of the inside
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Simple.
1) Installation is much quicker/easier. One piece of equipment to install in one location.
2) It doesn't take up valuable real estate inside.
Mostly #1
If people are worried about vandals they just put a lock on the cover.
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06-27-2009, 08:46 PM
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Not Peter D
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Originally Posted by 220/221
Simple.
1) Installation is much quicker/easier. One piece of equipment to install in one location.
2) It doesn't take up valuable real estate inside.
Mostly #1
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I noticed that in some of the larger tract homes I've checked out in Socal they usually have one large 400 amp all-in-one and then one of more subpanels fed with SER cable inside. I don't suppose you do it that way in Feenicks too?
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06-27-2009, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
I noticed that in some of the larger tract homes I've checked out in Socal they usually have one large 400 amp all-in-one and then one of more subpanels fed with SER cable inside. I don't suppose you do it that way in Feenicks too?
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That's actually not a bad idea for any of us, particularly if you want the panels in different places in the home rather than right on the back side of the meter can like we do in the northeast.
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06-27-2009, 08:54 PM
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Not Peter D
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Originally Posted by MDShunk
That's actually not a bad idea for any of us, particularly if you want the panels in different places in the home rather than right on the back side of the meter can like we do in the northeast.
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Yes, that's definitely a common practice around here for larger homes. I was just curious about regional practice, is all. Though truth be told I've never done the cost-benefit analysis of the point at which it makes more sense to add a subpanel vs. multiple homeruns.
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06-27-2009, 09:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NolaTigaBait
dude...no....picture this its an all in one meter combo with 12 spaces...the lugs from the load side of the meter are bolted on to the main buss....making the whole panel HOT all the time...then you bring your heavy loads i.e. a/c, range, water heater, etc...(remember no more than 6 disconnects)...then i would get either a 100 or 125 and feed the sub-panel inside...
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I hate those pieces of crap. All the ones I see are over 20 years old, and they are like the plague all over Northern Alabama. The POCO installed them years ago, and just re-fed the old 3-wire 60 A fuse box from them. However, I have made a good bit of money replacing them. Last summer I did 25. This summer, not many people can afford to have them replaced, unless they burn out and insurance covers it.
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06-27-2009, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
I noticed that in some of the larger tract homes I've checked out in Socal they usually have one large 400 amp all-in-one and then one of more subpanels fed with SER cable inside. I don't suppose you do it that way in Feenicks too?
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In North Georgia a few years ago duplex offices were all the rage and were going up everywhere. I installed many 400 A meter/mains with two 200 A main breakers built in.
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06-28-2009, 12:05 PM
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I noticed that in some of the larger tract homes I've checked out in Socal they usually have one large 400 amp all-in-one and then one of more subpanels fed with SER cable inside. I don't suppose you do it that way in Feenicks too?
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On houses that require 400 amps we use a meter combo unit that has one 200A main with a 40 space bus and a 200A main that will feed a second panel.
Most of the time we will just mount the second 40 space panel right next to the service.
If it makes sense, like in a really big house with the kitchen far away from the service, we will locate the second panel somewhere in the interior or on the other side of the house and feed it with BAR cable (big assed romex).
I think I have only done that once and it was a struggle to pull the 4/0, 100' thru the trusses to the other side of the house. Also, with that big of a cable coming in the back of the panel, the termination was a pain.
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06-29-2009, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 220/221
On houses that require 400 amps we use a meter combo unit that has one 200A main with a 40 space bus and a 200A main that will feed a second panel.
Most of the time we will just mount the second 40 space panel right next to the service.
If it makes sense, like in a really big house with the kitchen far away from the service, we will locate the second panel somewhere in the interior or on the other side of the house and feed it with BAR cable (big assed romex).
I think I have only done that once and it was a struggle to pull the 4/0, 100' thru the trusses to the other side of the house. Also, with that big of a cable coming in the back of the panel, the termination was a pain.
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Electrical work isn't for pu$$ies. 
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06-29-2009, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 220/221
Here are some pics for Peter.
I turned this....
Into this.....
Yeah, triplex....don't know what size. Neutral is smaller. |
Wow, that's pretty nice. Where is that? Is there cold ones in the fridge?
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06-29-2009, 05:04 PM
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Prescott AZ, about 2 hours North of Phoenix. Elevation at the cabin is about 6800' and there is ALWAYS a few cold ones in the fridge. 
If I am not there, the key is on top of the panel....outside of course.
It's mostly a summer place but we do get a couple of decent snows a year...maybe a foot max....enough to get the quads high centered and stuck.
Video link:
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/...t=MVI_0033.flv
Watching the summer storms roll across is the best!
Video link:
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/...t=MOV01786.flv
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