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Old 12-28-2017, 07:03 PM   #21
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:21 AM   #22
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@chicken steve

We need you to send this thread to your friend Rick Holbroock so that he doesn't continue to give out bad information, thanks.
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For some reason, I don't think we are going to see responses.
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:34 AM   #24
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Steve, are you going to admit that you're wrong?
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:14 PM   #25
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@chicken steve

Since you were so big on contacting the manufacturers, I would like to hear your opinion on the fact that both Square D and Milbank say that the small hole is for the GEC, and their listing says to use it for that purpose.

I would also like to hear what you said to Rick Holbroock. Thanks.
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there is more than one grounding scheme and they are dependent upon the disconnect means used and dependent on the requirements of the locality.
hence you will find bonding fixtures in panels, disconnects, and meter cans
to say one is correct and not the other is foolishness.

its a simple procedure when getting the permit in order to get a hold of the local inspector for the required information.
while we have the nec and cec codes to rely on you need to remember that local code requirements can and often do supersede the nec and cec
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This discussion is based on the NEC. We have clearly said that since the beginning.
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there is more than one grounding scheme and they are dependent upon the disconnect means used and dependent on the requirements of the locality.
hence you will find bonding fixtures in panels, disconnects, and meter cans
to say one is correct and not the other is foolishness.

its a simple procedure when getting the permit in order to get a hold of the local inspector for the required information.
while we have the nec and cec codes to rely on you need to remember that local code requirements can and often do supersede the nec and cec
I'll agree that state amendments do supersede NEC requirements Gnuuser

But that would be a pre legislated agreement state bureaucratic oversight would have on the books

I say this because a 90.4 can clash with a 110.3B , and will fall back on such instruments.

Imagine yourself an AHJ, confronted daily with electrical materials some of which are approved via for profit NRTL's

Would you hang your hat on the safest install , or what they are telling you it is?

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Steve, can you explain the 1/4" knockout at the panel bottom once again please? I want to make sure to send your information to Square-d and to Milbank engineering to inform them they are all wrong about it.
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Old 01-01-2018, 05:41 PM   #30
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I'll agree that state amendments do supersede NEC requirements Gnuuser

But that would be a pre legislated agreement state bureaucratic oversight would have on the books

I say this because a 90.4 can clash with a 110.3B , and will fall back on such instruments.

Imagine yourself an AHJ, confronted daily with electrical materials some of which are approved via for profit NRTL's

Would you hang your hat on the safest install , or what they are telling you it is?

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So you are now trying to say that an inspector should fail a job based on his own feelings of what is safe instead of going by the code and the manufacturer's listing??

You are THAT petty and pathetic? You just won't admit that you are wrong about such a simple issue.
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I don't see anything from you guys at Home Depot. Or Lowe's.
Checked into this-- apparently we're only at select Home Depot's and Lowes.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:41 AM   #32
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Can we get Rick Holbroock to come in here and tell us why what he emailed chicken Steve was the opposite of what Marissa said the engineering team said?

Steve to this very day continually uses Rick's response to justify incorrect installations. This is important that we find out the truth.
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I will email him and get back to you--
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Any word?

It's funny because when Rick Holbroock gave wrong and dangerous information to Steve, he did so very quickly. Now we can't get a reply at all. Now, both of them are not willing to even comment on it.
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Any word?

It's funny because when Rick Holbroock gave wrong and dangerous information to Steve, he did so very quickly. Now we can't get a reply at all. Now, both of them are not willing to even comment on it.
Mr. Holbrook died on January 13th from complications while having a metal sliver removed from his eye. Seems he was drilling a 1/4" hole into a panel can.
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Mr. Holbrook died on January 13th from complications while having a metal sliver removed from his eye. Seems he was drilling a 1/4" hole into a panel can.
What an awful way to go!
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Milbank doesn't make an EUSERC products apparently.
Ouch that hurts! :-)

We absolutely do! Here's a link to our Western Region Catalog:

https://milbankworks.com/getmedia/d8...ern-region.pdf
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Ouch that hurts! :-)

We absolutely do! Here's a link to our Western Region Catalog:

https://milbankworks.com/getmedia/d8...ern-region.pdf
I stand corrected.
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