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Old 07-31-2017, 08:48 PM   #1
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We use only Milbank meters in my area. Most new services have a PVC riser coming out of the top:

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You can see the PVC pipe glued into the PVC connector (male adapter) which is threaded into the meter hub.

The problem, as we have been discussing for years, is that the hub on the top of the meter pan is only listed for use with rigid conduit which has tapered threads. The PVC male adapter threaded into the meter hub in the picture has straight threads, and is against the listing to use, so some people fail inspection.

We would like it if you provided a solution, or used your power to push another manufacturer into providing a solution. This has been going on for years and is a serious impediment to the work. Some contractors go so far as to screw a 6" rigid pipe into the meter hub, then screw a PVC female adapter onto the pipe, then glue the pipe into the adapter. That is extremely ugly, more work, and more money.

In Canada they use a PVC hub which allows you to glue the PVC pipe directly into it:



This would be perfect for us.
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Old 07-31-2017, 08:56 PM   #2
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Change of listing allowing a sealant or maybe sealing washers perhaps?
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Also needs to cover the use of weatherproof SE connectors as we use them a lot up here.
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Also needs to cover the use of weatherproof SE connectors as we use them a lot up here.
Wait... what are weatherproof SE connectors supposed to screw into if not a meter hub? Are the hubs not listed for use with those connectors? I thought it was only myers hubs that had the rigid - only listing?
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Wait... what are weatherproof SE connectors supposed to screw into if not a meter hub? Are the hubs not listed for use with those connectors? I thought it was only myers hubs that had the rigid - only listing?
The hubs are only listed for rigid pipe.

Good question about how the weatherproof SE connectors are supposed to be installed. Right into an enclosure with a sealing locknut?
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The hubs are only listed for rigid pipe.

Good question about how the weatherproof SE connectors are supposed to be installed. Right into an enclosure with a sealing locknut?
When we use SEU we screw the weathertight SEU connector into the hub. Never had a problem.
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I'd like to see the PVC hub become available here.

So Milbank, make a few molds and start making them.
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Don't have any real problems with a ta into hub either other than code/listing ones.
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When we use SEU we screw the weathertight SEU connector into the hub. Never had a problem.
Same here. But you could fail for the same reason as screwing a PVC male adapter in.
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When we use SEU we screw the weathertight SEU connector into the hub. Never had a problem.
Yes, there's literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of services here like that.
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Same here. But you could fail for the same reason as screwing a PVC male adapter in.
I did not know that.
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Yes, there's literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of services here like that.
Same here.
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Same here. But you could fail for the same reason as screwing a PVC male adapter in.
Thankfully inspectors here don't see it that way. Otherwise it would be armegeddon if any inspector dared to fail an SEU connector in a meter hub.
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I did not know that.
The meter hub is only list for use with rigid pipe. Or at least that's what I was told on the Mike Holt's forum by people who looked the listing up. And that's the reason why some inspectors fail a PVC male adapter threaded into the meter hub.
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No but let's fix this so it's not on the "agenda".
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Thankfully inspectors here don't see it that way. Otherwise it would be armegeddon if any inspector dared to fail an SEU connector in a meter hub.
Yeah, I have never had that fail. But I haven't had the PVC MA threaded in the meter hub fail either.
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Me neither, next thing you know it ends up being discussed in a seminar or in one of the trade mags.
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The meter hub is only list for use with rigid pipe. Or at least that's what I was told on the Mike Holt's forum by people who looked the listing up. And that's the reason why some inspectors fail a PVC male adapter threaded into the meter hub.
I always just assumed that because the weathertight SEU connectors were metallic, they were approved.

I bet there's a bunch of inspectors out there that don't know this.
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I always just assumed that because the weathertight SEU connectors were metallic, they were approved.

I bet there's a bunch of inspectors out there that don't know this.
Thankfully in my 15 years of being in the trade now, I have never seen or heard of an inspector failing for this. But then again, I live in the land of SEU cable. PVC services are extremely rare for resi where I live.
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Either way, it's still threading straight threads into a tapered thread fitting.
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