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Old 05-08-2016, 10:59 PM   #41
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i echo the question why were they running an energized cable?
their procedures are similar to those used in the UK.
verifying the circuit de-energized is crucial to safety.

I also never energize a circuit until it has been tested correctly.
I feel for the family
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:22 PM   #42
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It's possible on the ground prong, however GFCI's sense the in-balance between hot and neutral and It should have tripped, It may have been defective and standing in an inch of water and soaked through boots made a better ground
Another possibility is that the shock path was entirely from one part off the tool to another and so returned entirely or primarily through the neutral.
Double insulated tools are not great when you remove one of the insulation elements.
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Old 06-25-2016, 09:18 PM   #43
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Why did this work need to be done hot????????
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Old 06-26-2016, 12:21 AM   #44
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Hadn't seen this before. What a shame, feel bad for the kids family and the Jman. The fine is close to pointless, nothing like that will ease the families minds.
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Why did the dude use tape instead of bcaps? Senseless death. Absolutely mind blowing yall fellas be careful out there man we all have family expecting us back home. Words just can't express the kind of reality that hits reading something like that. #1 rule never trust anyone!!!! Always double check the circuit even if it's a master.....end buzzed/drunken mumbling. I'm just a drunk man talking.
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Rate of injury to new workers is high. They don't know enough, or
trust themselves enough, to distrust the experienced guys who are
supposed to keep them safe. More reasons than this of course (for
their increased injury rate), but this is a big one.
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Yea your right but that should be the first article in the NEC NEVER TRUST ANYONE article 1 done
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Rate of injury to new workers is high. They don't know enough, or
trust themselves enough, to distrust the experienced guys who are
supposed to keep them safe. More reasons than this of course (for
their increased injury rate), but this is a big one.
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No, that's not the "big one". The "big one" is that many companies fail to have a safety program in place, have weekly safety meetings, provide safety equipment and hold everyone, from managers, JM's, apprentices and everyone else in the company accountable for following the policy.

You'll find a direct connection to the lack of a safety program to contractors that run unprofitable companies...because they don't know their numbers, don't charge enough and can't afford to put these things in place. They're too busy trying to survive financially to give a chit about their employees.

...but they need a little help today so they'll risk grabbing some poor, unsuspecting, inexperienced guy to go up in the attic and KILL HIM.
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I don't fully understand why so many people have the need to work live. I can't imagine what circuit could be so critical in a HOUSE that it had to stay on. Yes I've done it myself in the past but the key is myself and not asked a helper to do it for any reason.
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No, that's not the "big one". The "big one" is that many companies fail to have a safety program in place, have weekly safety meetings, provide safety equipment and hold everyone, from managers, JM's, apprentices and everyone else in the company accountable for following the policy.

You'll find a direct connection to the lack of a safety program to contractors that run unprofitable companies...because they don't know their numbers, don't charge enough and can't afford to put these things in place. They're too busy trying to survive financially to give a chit about their employees.

...but they need a little help today so they'll risk grabbing some poor, unsuspecting, inexperienced guy to go up in the attic and KILL HIM.
The safety programs I've seen had everything to do with liability
and little to do with safety. More effective at making sure the workers
were to blame for any incidents than they were at reducing the
situations leading to the incidents.
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