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Old 12-02-2019, 06:10 PM   #21
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The advantage of a real code book made out of paper is that you can write your own notes in it. As far as I’m concerned, you should be able to bring your own code book into the exam. If it contains notes you have written to yourself, that’s not cheating, it’s the code book you use in the real world.
In Michigan you CAN NOT highlight or write in your book. Only factory tabs allowed. If I could have highlighted, I would of had a better chance
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:09 PM   #22
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Get some test prep and pass it’s worth the investment. You’re close. Make the effort to to push it over the edge. Pass is good as 100%. You can do it.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:44 PM   #23
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Get some test prep and pass it’s worth the investment. You’re close. Make the effort to to push it over the edge. Pass is good as 100%. You can do it.
I paid for practice tests on test.com, I was hitting 80-89%, with time to spare. then the real test kicked my butt and had me froze. I just signed up for a IN PERSON test prep class. 350 bucks, 2 days, 8 hours a day. Thing that sucks is that it is an hour and 40 minutes away from me. I am doing it anyway. Hope it works!!! Thank you for the encouragement.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:49 PM   #24
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It's an investment in yourself. I took test prep for my journeymans and it helped me get through the first time. I can't remember whether I took it for my masters or not. Can't remember what I had for breakfast either.
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It's an investment in yourself. I took test prep for my journeymans and it helped me get through the first time. I can't remember whether I took it for my masters or not. Can't remember what I had for breakfast either.
I am so happy to here you say that! I was hoping a real class would push me over the finish line. I feel better now. I was so damn nervous the first time I almost just froze up, could barely turn the damn pages..very weird..I know
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We all have our strengths. One thing (maybe the only thing) I learned in college was how to take tests, but I still felt like I needed help. Feeling like you are better prepared will help with the nerves. The things I was worried about were the calculations, services, motors, tranformers etc, which I really didn't do all that often. I spend most of my time doing service and now generators, so I'd still have to brush up on those things if I had to take the test again.
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I am so happy to here you say that! I was hoping a real class would push me over the finish line. I feel better now. I was so damn nervous the first time I almost just froze up, could barely turn the damn pages..very weird..I know
Remember to take a test prep, NOT a course to learn code. They are 2 completely different things that might coincide at some points, but not all.
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Remember to take a test prep, NOT a course to learn code. They are 2 completely different things that might coincide at some points, but not all.
Absolutely, big difference.
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We all have our strengths. One thing (maybe the only thing) I learned in college was how to take tests, but I still felt like I needed help. Feeling like you are better prepared will help with the nerves. The things I was worried about were the calculations, services, motors, tranformers etc, which I really didn't do all that often. I spend most of my time doing service and now generators, so I'd still have to brush up on those things if I had to take the test again.
I did good on the calculations. Outside of running out of time, My biggest problems were motor controller schematics, some parts of motors in general, and our state codes. All the studying I did, and I forgot that OCP for motors in the NEC was pretty much called something different. I was not prepared to be asked how big a hand hole has to be on a light pole, and had no clue where to find it, even after studying this damn NEC for a month.
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I did good on the calculations. Outside of running out of time, My biggest problems were motor controller schematics, some parts of motors in general, and our state codes. All the studying I did, and I forgot that OCP for motors in the NEC was pretty much called something different. I was not prepared to be asked how big a hand hole has to be on a light pole, and had no clue where to find it, even after studying this damn NEC for a month.
Totally remember that weird stuff on the test, that you don't even work with. That's why they usually allow a big percentage of mistakes, like 30% right ?

I was asked about working in confined space, and the use of a sniffer, I didn't work with this stuff until about 20 years later ! Or shoring regulations in trenching ?

Motor controls is kind of a thing some people work with, but not everybody ? surprised it was on there. Maybe because you are in a more industrial area.

CA journeymans test is more about navigating the code book fast. My contractors test had that odd ball stuff
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In Michigan you CAN NOT highlight or write in your book. Only factory tabs allowed. If I could have highlighted, I would of had a better chance
I don't know if they still do it this way in Michigan, but there used to be three types of tests administered, when they were administered locally before the state took over licensing. Residential, commercial and industrial based, each time you retested, you got a different test.

First one I did was residential, ran out of time, never studied that much for the alternative residential calculation methods.

Second try I got the industrial one, the area I work in. I finished so early, got called on cheating.

Your luck may change with the second testing, but don't let that be a reason for you not to prepare yourself.

One of my community college instructors sat on several code making panels and was very knowledgeable, and knew how to teach. He knew the reasons why for the code rules, and that makes it a lot easier to remember them.

I had taken some classes at the local community college sponsored by the RECI who used to be in charge of licensing, now they only have classes for inspectors. But you may want to contact them or the state for local classes in your area.

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I don't know if they still do it this way in Michigan, but there used to be three types of tests administered, when they were administered locally before the state took over licensing. Residential, commercial and industrial based, each time you retested, you got a different test.

First one I did was residential, ran out of time, never studied that much for the alternative residential calculation methods.

Second try I got the industrial one, the area I work in. I finished so early, got called on cheating.

Your luck may change with the second testing, but don't let that be a reason for you not to prepare yourself.

One of my community college instructors sat on several code making panels and was very knowledgeable, and knew how to teach. He knew the reasons why for the code rules, and that makes it a lot easier to remember them.

I had taken some classes at the local community college sponsored by the RECI who used to be in charge of licensing, now they only have classes for inspectors. But you may want to contact them or the state for local classes in your area.

http://recimi.org/page-586922


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I signed up for a $350 test prep class for this weekend. The guy said "we don't teach you code, we teach you what's on the test".. We will se how it goes. it is 2 hours away from home, so I had to spend another 100 bucks for a hotel room. So this class is going to be 450 all together. I hope it is worth it.
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actually, what that guy/he said would be helpful for sure. it all depends on what you know first hand. if you know your code book well enough to kno where to find stuff or where to find where you need to look, you'll be fine with that portion. but the intangibles, ie the stuff you learn on the job etc is basically the rest of it/mostly...depending on where you work, you may not know nothing about crane signals, or remember stuff about ladder safety or fire extinguisher classes or CPR.. lol,, sry.


or god forbid, stuff about motors and their winding characteristics etc..
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You should have plenty of time to not only finish the test but to check answers as well.
Here is what I did.

When I took the test maybe like 7 out of the first 10 questions were on motors and these all required me to do calculations of some sort.
I did the first motor question and it took awhile so the little clock went off in my head because I am wondering if I will be doing calculations that take time the whole exam--this wasn't the case but what I did was skip those questions and went through the test doing the questions I knew the answers to and then went back and did the questions I skipped.

When you take the test again, try this method as it will keep you from getting nervous. I had more than enough time to check and even recheck(waste of time and not needed but your nerves kick)
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You should have plenty of time to not only finish the test but to check answers as well.
Here is what I did.

When I took the test maybe like 7 out of the first 10 questions were on motors and these all required me to do calculations of some sort.
I did the first motor question and it took awhile so the little clock went off in my head because I am wondering if I will be doing calculations that take time the whole exam--this wasn't the case but what I did was skip those questions and went through the test doing the questions I knew the answers to and then went back and did the questions I skipped.

When you take the test again, try this method as it will keep you from getting nervous. I had more than enough time to check and even recheck(waste of time and not needed but your nerves kick)
Good luck.
So... Go through once and answer all the one's I know 100%. Then go through again and answer the one's I am sure I can find fast, then the rest? right? seems like if I can just get the first 2 steps done, I will be at or over 60 questions right, and I pass.
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By the way, the class was great. I had a lot of fun while learning. I would recommend Dandy Education to anyone in MI.
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Hopefully that gets you into passing territory. Best of luck. Let us know.
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I see this posted quite often, it’s about how to take a test. I see the logic in it.




TEST TAKERS.

I've seen a lot of people lately testing. Here's a proven test taking method that produces high success rates.

Feel free to add your own tips to help the group.

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Its a common misconception here that you need to memorize the NEC. Taking tests is an art all on its own. Here is what I have found is the best method to taking tests, especially code related tests. Its called the WAVE method. ****MAKE SURE YOU STAY DEDICATED TO THE TIMING AND POLICE YOURSELF********. 1. FIRST WAVE- You scan through the entire test from beginning to end. You only answer questions that you know off the top of your head. Do not spend more than 3-5 seconds thinking about them. 2. SECOND WAVE- same method but spend 30 seconds thinking about some of the questions you saw. DO NOT USE THE CODE BOOK YET. 3. THIRD WAVE- This is where you will use the code book. Do not spend more than 1-2 minutes searching for the answers. 4. FOURTH WAVE- Do not spend more than 3-5 minutes looking for the answers. By this time, you will have 70-85% of the test answered. 5. FIFTH WAVE- answer all of the harder questions in order of difficulty. This method has multiple benefits....You do not leave simple unanswered items; by going through in waves, you will run across the answers for other questions by happenstance. (I typically feel this happens for about 5-10 questions or so..);also builds confidence being that you have a sense of accomplishment and will not feel as rushed towards the end. I used to teach test taking classes and this method produced a high success rate.
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I think it depends how the questions are weighted. If each question carries equal points, then it makes sense to go through the easy ones first and leave the calculations for last. But in my state, they changed the questions so that they are weighted differently. Because of that, you’d be wasting time reading through multiple times.
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I think it depends how the questions are weighted. If each question carries equal points, then it makes sense to go through the easy ones first and leave the calculations for last. But in my state, they changed the questions so that they are weighted differently. Because of that, you’d be wasting time reading through multiple times.
In Ohio , they are equal.

I could see how passing there would be harder.

I take it the easier ones are worth less points?
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