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RaptorsSparky 03-19-2019 11:26 PM

Is my boss disrespecting me?
 
Ive worked for this company for 2 years now and every time he comes to site he avoids all eye contact with me and ignores me at all costs. Im only an apprentice so I report to my journeyman and rarely talk to the boss. But, I just find it dis respectful that he doesn't even acknowledge a long time employee who never calls in sick or misses any days.

MikeFL 03-19-2019 11:52 PM

That's better than two different people telling you two different ways to do and the other being upset because you didn't do what they told you to do.

Let it go. If that's how he is, it's on him, not you.

macmikeman 03-20-2019 01:12 AM

He's just gay and shy. He wants to hold your hand and lay his head on your shoulder, but doesn't know how to approach you. You need to help him with some encouragement. Wink at him......

Coppersmith 03-20-2019 02:03 AM

Perhaps he is an introvert and is not comfortable meeting new people. He's not required to interface with you, so he doesn't. I wouldn't read any more into it than that.

tjb 03-20-2019 04:58 AM

Is my boss disrespecting me?
 
Why does it matter? Are your paychecks signed?

splatz 03-20-2019 05:20 AM

Don't you have enough problems that you definitely know are problems? Why go looking for trouble?

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Originally Posted by tjb (Post 5179250)
Why does it matter? Are your paychecks signed?

That's a good way to determine your boss doesn't have a problem with you.
:thumbsup:

trentonmakes 03-20-2019 05:59 AM

Ask for a raise

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gpop 03-20-2019 06:13 AM

I worked for a supervisor that was know for leaving notes and avoiding being social. I just found the guy odd. The basic rule was for us to make him look good by running a tight ship and he would only get involved if we couldn't play nicely together.
It was a running joke that the 3rd shift guy had not seen or spoke to him in person for over 3 years. We then got a micro manager and after 17 years i went and found a new job.

lighterup 03-20-2019 07:17 AM

It's not disrespect....just say good morning sir and leave it at that.
It's called "chain of command". Relax this system is actually great
mainly for the reason Mike gave you.
(Florida Mike ....uhhh not Hawaii Mike:vs_laugh:)

lighterup 03-20-2019 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trentonmakes (Post 5179266)
Ask for a raise

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:vs_laugh::vs_laugh:

just the cowboy 03-20-2019 08:46 AM

I know where you are coming from. I had a plant manager that I would say good morning to and he would just walk by. Turned out he had a bad back and was in pain all the time and was just focusing on walking.

John Valdes 03-20-2019 11:41 AM

Sometimes it takes two to tango.
Do you speak to him?

MechanicalDVR 03-20-2019 11:58 AM

I've had several bosses that were like that and wouldn't talk to an apprentice out on the job.

If they did talk to one it wasn't ever a good thing.

Don't be overly sensitive.

HackWork 03-20-2019 12:44 PM

This is the same guy who won't let you take a vacation?

wildleg 03-20-2019 01:25 PM

have you been showering daily ?

emtnut 03-20-2019 01:34 PM

I wouldn't exactly call 2 yrs a 'long time employee' .

Does he say Hi to all the other apprentices ? If so, it's you, if not, don't worry about it.

Come to think of it, you should be busy working, not looking at the boss !

telsa 03-20-2019 01:40 PM

To the OP: you need insensitivity training.

Signal1 03-20-2019 01:59 PM

Just keep working.

just the cowboy 03-20-2019 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telsa (Post 5179404)
To the OP: you need insensitivity training.

As do half the kids nowadays, my own included.

emtnut 03-20-2019 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telsa (Post 5179404)
To the OP: you need insensitivity training.

If that's like the sensitivity training I took (a few times !) ... It doesn't work:vs_laugh:

MechanicalDVR 03-20-2019 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telsa (Post 5179404)
To the OP: you need insensitivity training.



Quote:

Originally Posted by just the cowboy (Post 5179412)
As do half the kids nowadays, my own included.


Bingo!

I think this is more relevant these days than ever before.

Everyone gets offended over everything!

Martine 03-20-2019 04:49 PM

I think my big boss has only nodded at me. I wouldn't stress it honestly

wildleg 03-20-2019 05:04 PM

To whom it may concern (apprentices):

It is not your bosses job to walk around the jobsite, greet all the employees, and pat you on the back or butt to make you feel good. His job has more to do with getting you work and keeping you working, along with keeping you paid.

It is your job, on the other hand, to keep your nose to the grindstone, so noone should be seeing anything of you besides a$$holes and elbows. Keeping track of who is walking the job is definitely not in your job description, unless someone has instructed you to do exactly that.

just a thought

tjb 03-20-2019 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MechanicalDVR (Post 5179418)

Everyone gets offended over everything!



Thatís a really mean thing to say!

stiffneck 03-20-2019 05:33 PM

I prefer not to be talked to at all.
Have higher ups who will by pass my supervisor to talk to me.
This only adds to the "Toxic work environment" with a www.gov job.
Quote; The work is not the issue, it's the people.
2yrs, 11months or sooner and gone.

stiffneck 03-20-2019 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicalDVR (Post 5179418)

Everyone gets offended over everything!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjb (Post 5179446)
Thatís a really mean thing to say!


:laughing:

Rora 03-20-2019 06:59 PM

You're looking at this all wrong... you should be glad he's leaving you alone. On some level, that means you're doing good enough in their eyes. Think about all the people who are in a job that they don't feel right for. There are plenty of people who get into a position where they manage people but aren't a big fan of it... these people, like anyone, do their job without getting more involved than they have to.

LawnGuyLandSparky 03-20-2019 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildleg (Post 5179444)
To whom it may concern (apprentices):

It is not your bosses job to walk around the jobsite, greet all the employees, and pat you on the back or butt to make you feel good. His job has more to do with getting you work and keeping you working, along with keeping you paid.

It is your job, on the other hand, to keep your nose to the grindstone, so noone should be seeing anything of you besides a$$holes and elbows. Keeping track of who is walking the job is definitely not in your job description, unless someone has instructed you to do exactly that.

just a thought


From a safety standpoint, you're supposed to be aware of your surroundings.

emtnut 03-20-2019 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky (Post 5179472)
From a safety standpoint, you're supposed to be aware of your surroundings.

Yep, and ears work well for that, at least always did for me :biggrin:

Turning around to see if the boss winks at you doesn't fall into the safety category.


And Mech !! How could you be so mean ?? :surprise:

Southeast Power 03-20-2019 08:24 PM

I try to avoid guys I don't personally know on job sites. The guys you call out from the hall or apprentices and very concerned when the owner comes out to the site. This means they have a problem on the job.

I was an apprentice for 4 years at a shop and the owner would only talk to his bubba boys and the office staff.

Apprentices were lower than whale scat and wouldn't ever be found talking to Foreman, a General Foreman, a PM, or Superintendent. Ever.

RaptorsSparky 03-20-2019 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildleg (Post 5179444)
To whom it may concern (apprentices):

It is not your bosses job to walk around the jobsite, greet all the employees, and pat you on the back or butt to make you feel good. His job has more to do with getting you work and keeping you working, along with keeping you paid.

It is your job, on the other hand, to keep your nose to the grindstone, so noone should be seeing anything of you besides a$$holes and elbows. Keeping track of who is walking the job is definitely not in your job description, unless someone has instructed you to do exactly that.

just a thought

I do agree with you it's not his job. But that speaks strongly to the culture of my company on the management side.

Im not a residential sparky, so we definitely don't work like dogs unless we have to get the job done.

RaptorsSparky 03-20-2019 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HackWork (Post 5179394)
This is the same guy who won't let you take a vacation?

Yup! lol

stuiec 03-20-2019 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky (Post 5179472)
From a safety standpoint, you're supposed to be aware of your surroundings.

Assholes on the left - check- elbows on the right -check- good to go

MechanicalDVR 03-20-2019 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjb (Post 5179446)
Thatís a really mean thing to say!


:vs_laugh:


Never said I was a nice guy!








My Uncle always said "never tell a lie nobody would believe"

brian john 03-21-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaptorsSparky (Post 5179216)
Ive worked for this company for 2 years now and every time he comes to the site he avoids all eye contact with me and ignores me at all costs. Im only an apprentice so I report to my journeyman and rarely talk to the boss. But, I just find it disrespectful that he doesn't even acknowledge a long time employee who never calls in sick or misses any days.

I worked for a company for 5-1/2 years and I'd bet in that time the boss did not say more than 1/2 dozen words to me. Did not affect my paycheck or my ego.

360max 03-21-2019 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian john (Post 5179738)
Quote:

Originally Posted by RaptorsSparky (Post 5179216)
Ive worked for this company for 2 years now and every time he comes to the site he avoids all eye contact with me and ignores me at all costs. Im only an apprentice so I report to my journeyman and rarely talk to the boss. But, I just find it disrespectful that he doesn't even acknowledge a long time employee who never calls in sick or misses any days.

I worked for a company for 5-1/2 years and I'd bet in that time the boss did not say more than 1/2 dozen words to me. Did not affect my paycheck or my ego.

...but is that how you would run your business? Attaboys go a long way, JMHO.

The_Modifier 03-21-2019 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuiec (Post 5179506)
Assholes on the left - check- elbows on the right -check- good to go

:vs_laugh:

nrp3 03-22-2019 06:49 AM

When I was young and couldn't understand why the guy worked for was so difficult I asked the owner and basically told me to suck it up and deal with it, don't take it personally. Now that guy is a customer and can be just as difficult. Then again, if wanted a raise, I walked in and asked for it and got it, when I wanted a van and brought one for them to see from the dealership, they bought it over the phone before I returned it. We still have some tense conversations and occasionally, though not lately, have had to tell him he's stepped over the line. If you are still there and the pay checks are coming in, chances are, you are doing just fine. Everybody likes to be liked and be respected, but just keep doing what you are doing. If you are doing well, it'll get noticed. Don't be afraid to speak up for yourself, but be tactful and think about where, when, how and who you do it with.

brian john 03-22-2019 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360max (Post 5179852)
...but is that how you would run your business? Attaboys go a long way, JMHO.

Not at all I try and make the new hires feel comfortable and I am always interested on why they want to be electricians.

Had a guy tell me he wanted to be an electrician since he was 9, that was 30 years ago he is one of my top men. I was discussing this with my ex-business partner he worked with this guy for 25 years and he never knew that even.

Most people (NOT ALL) like to feel welcomed.

BUT -Some people are A-holes, shy, busy thinking, worried about a project outcome, have family issues, we are all different.

Helmut 03-22-2019 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaptorsSparky (Post 5179216)
Ive worked for this company for 2 years now and every time he comes to site he avoids all eye contact with me and ignores me at all costs. Im only an apprentice so I report to my journeyman and rarely talk to the boss. But, I just find it dis respectful that he doesn't even acknowledge a long time employee who never calls in sick or misses any days.

Go watch the movie Moneyball.

Brad Pitt explains the relationship between Upper Management and baseball players pretty well. He doesn't watch the games, doesn't want to get personal with players for specific reasons..... It's business, and can't be personal.


As an employee of a whopping 2 yrs, you're not expected to understand this.

AKFEnergy 03-22-2019 10:26 PM

The Vietnam War is over...


...just a thought.

gpop 03-22-2019 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360max (Post 5179852)
...but is that how you would run your business? Attaboys go a long way, JMHO.


As a apprentice do you really want the company owner speaking to you.

Its going look like you are either arse kissing or throwing your journeyman under the bus.

You will find most bosses that are willing to skip the chain of command to give a attaboy are also the same ones who are willing to skip the chain to give a arse chewing.

AKFEnergy 03-22-2019 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpop (Post 5180234)
As a apprentice do you really want the company owner speaking to you.

Its going look like you are either arse kissing or throwing your journeyman under the bus.

You will find most bosses that are willing to skip the chain of command to give a attaboy are also the same ones who are willing to skip the chain to give a arse chewing.

Whats wrong with that? Take the good with the bad over nothing at all, right?

360max 03-22-2019 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpop (Post 5180234)
As a apprentice do you really want the company owner speaking to you.

Its going look like you are either arse kissing or throwing your journeyman under the bus.

You will find most bosses that are willing to skip the chain of command to give a attaboy are also the same ones who are willing to skip the chain to give a arse chewing.

It doesnít take a lot to say good morning to an employee, itís common decency IMHO, regardless of rank.

darren79 03-23-2019 08:40 AM

Most people try to avoid the boss when he shows up. That's one of the nice things with construction, your boss is not breathing down your neck ebery day.

My boss probably wouldn't even know your name after two years let alone that you even work for him. We are lucky that our boss does not show up on a regular basis, he seems to trust the foreman and project managers running his jobs.

RaptorsSparky 03-23-2019 11:52 AM

The thing thats different in this situation is that we use to have weekly monday morning safety meetings at the shop and i always say good morning to him. so its not like I've said one word to him in the 2 years i worked here.

LawnGuyLandSparky 03-23-2019 12:32 PM

He's avoiding you, afraid you'll ask for time off.

eddy current 03-23-2019 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky (Post 5180416)
He's avoiding you, afraid you'll ask for time off.

Yeah, or ask why you donít get vacation pay! :vs_laugh:

telsa 03-24-2019 02:54 AM

It's a rare underling that solves problems. Usually all conversations with them turn into requests for increased pay, vacation time, -- and what a jerk Mr. X, Mr. Y and Mr. Z are.

Further, the best electricians -- as a rule -- are introverts. They'll chat up close buddies, but don't allow just anybody to be their buddy.

It's almost never the case that a conversation with a dude two-levels above you is going to be pleasant. Your immediate superior ( j-man// foreman, et. al ) was supposed to keep you on the rails -- and plainly you've screwed up. That's why your boss's boss wants to chat things up with you.

Obviously, a group pow-wow is a totally different situation. (Hectoring over unsafe working practices being the classic pow-wow.)

In sum: to be ignored is to be complimented.

The Big Man uses 'management by exception.' That translates into: he speaks up only when he sees a first class foul-up. Good work brings silence.

Drill instructors in the military work on the same principle.

See "Full Metal Jacket" for how much fun you can have by being the center of the DI's attention.

lighterup 03-24-2019 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360max (Post 5180244)
It doesnít take a lot to say good morning to an employee, itís common decency IMHO, regardless of rank.

Not saying that those that haven't , wouldn't or couldn't serve in their countries military is bad , I am saying that had you served in the military
you would get this method. (I don't think you do cause you just equated it
with rudeness or "decency").

I can spot " former military" a mile away and many who wind up in
private companies , in leadership positions , generally can't help
but incorporate what they learned in the military into their non
military lifestyles.


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