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Old 05-17-2019, 11:31 AM   #41
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Quick update: After I was given a job offer over the phone (4/30/2019), NAVFAC said they sent my paperwork to "USA Staffing" I think. USA Staffing will go through the paperwork and then send a Tentative Job Offer (TJO). After receiving the TJO, I will go in for the medical, physical, and background check. I am still waiting for the TJO. Apparently that is a long process as well.
Hang in there. It'll be worth it. Just be ready to jump through hoops when needed. Keep legible copies of all your paperwork.


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Old 05-17-2019, 07:26 PM   #42
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Keep us up to date. I'm in the same boat now. Waiting on the TJO. The wait is a kind of torture. I'm afraid of feeling excited about the opportunity until I have an actual EOD. Everyday I look in the mail hoping to see that TJO and so far nothing. I know it's the government and they take their time about most everything. It's a process I know but just want that next step, the TJO in writing so I can do the next stuff.
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Old 05-23-2019, 07:57 AM   #43
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@Wirenuting It's been a while but I have gone through the testing process and have had two interviews for NAVFAC SW. Assuming I get two job offers, I would be choosing between High Voltage Electrician and Electrician. In terms of NAVFAC, what would you say are the main differences between the two and what are the advantages/disadvantages of both routes?

Sorry I didn’t reply sooner, been busy at work.



The difference for us with High voltage and low voltage electricians is the work.
Depending on were you will be working the job may be runway lighting and distribution for the linemen or Normal electrician work.
Our high voltage guys don’t touch anything below 600 volts.

Were in at the few linemen we have left so mostly street lighting and transformer maintenance... Almost all our lines are below grade so bucket work is minimal.

Our low voltage electricians do any and everything @ less then 600 volts.
Rarely do we do bigger new builds. But we will do complete hut and building remodels. It all depends on our current workload and if we have the available workers. We are so short handed that we have to contract a lot out.

If you had applied here, you would be working today.
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:21 AM   #44
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Well I suppose I need to be patient. My interview isn't 2 weeks old yet. I've only had the 1 interview (for multiple positions) and I was led to believe there would only be that 1 interview. There are multiple facilities with multiple apprenticeship spots so naturally they were holding their respective interviews on different days. Hopefully I'll hear something positive (or a "thanks but no thanks") when my two week mark rolls up.
Sit tight and hold fast.
Remember we are the government and we are slow.

If you’ve had the interview that great. Now the waiting game can seem like it takes forever.

Pay is based on location and for the apprenticeship, what pay level your brought in at. The pay scales can be found at OPM.gov
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Sit tight and hold fast.
Remember we are the government and we are slow.

If you’ve had the interview that great. Now the waiting game can seem like it takes forever.

Pay is based on location and for the apprenticeship, what pay level your brought in at. The pay scales can be found at OPM.gov
Thanks for the advise. I know it's a waiting game and patience is paramount. I just don't want anything to muck this up.

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This place needs an exit tool. LOL
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Thanks for the advise. I know it's a waiting game and patience is paramount. I just don't want anything to muck this up.

Ceti Alpha V ? Is that before or after Ceti Alpha VI exploded and shifted Ceti Alpha V's orbit? I here Ceti Alpha V became a real craphole after that and only Botany Bay types would love there.
Your correct, it’s afterwards...
Only Botany Bay types and electricians love it there.
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Update: I received My Tentative Job Offer (TJO) today. There is a list of things that I will be working on tonight. Does anyone have any insight onto how long it takes to start after receiving the TJO?
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Update: I received My Tentative Job Offer (TJO) today. There is a list of things that I will be working on tonight. Does anyone have any insight onto how long it takes to start after receiving the TJO?
Congratulations. Did it come in the form of an email or official letter? Since they're sending them out now hopefully I will get mine real soon.
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Congratulations. Did it come in the form of an email or official letter? Since they're sending them out now hopefully I will get mine real soon.

Thank you! It came in the form of an email.
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Update: I received My Tentative Job Offer (TJO) today. There is a list of things that I will be working on tonight. Does anyone have any insight onto how long it takes to start after receiving the TJO?
The time it takes after the TJO is based on the requirements in that list your working on. If you need a security clearance before reporting then it can be quick or slow before you hear anything.
If it’s only a physical you need, then that will be based on how quickly they can get you in. Remember, be honest in filling out any paperwork, it makes it go smoother.

You’ll begin to understand the delays once your in the door.
We may be a big organization, but we are god awful slow.
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Thank you! It came in the form of an email.
Interesting. Well I was informed I was selected a couple of weeks back and to await the TJO for further instructions. One might think HR could send out all the TJO's to selectees at the same time thus receiving them would be simultaneous. Hopefully I'll get my TJO via email, snail mail, phone, or carrier pigeon very soon.
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Interesting. Well I was informed I was selected a couple of weeks back and to await the TJO for further instructions. One might think HR could send out all the TJO's to selectees at the same time thus receiving them would be simultaneous. Hopefully I'll get my TJO via email, snail mail, phone, or carrier pigeon very soon.
Please understand that HR is as slow as cold roofing tar.
But on the flip side, they are light speed faster then the material ordering dept.

If you’ve been offered the position, please keep the faith.
It takes so long to bring people onboard and todays way is faster then it had been in the past.

Many times people give up and move on to something different and miss out getting in. Meanwhile we, on the inside, think we are getting a new guy Monday morning just to have him no show. Just this past Tuesday morning, 4 were due to walk they the door and only 2 showed up. Another showed up yesterday and the 4th is off the books already. We were happy with what we got as we are that short handed.

Remember we are a LARGE organization.
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Please understand that HR is as slow as cold roofing tar.
But on the flip side, they are light speed faster then the material ordering dept.

If you’ve been offered the position, please keep the faith.
It takes so long to bring people onboard and todays way is faster then it had been in the past.

Many times people give up and move on to something different and miss out getting in. Meanwhile we, on the inside, think we are getting a new guy Monday morning just to have him no show. Just this past Tuesday morning, 4 were due to walk they the door and only 2 showed up. Another showed up yesterday and the 4th is off the books already. We were happy with what we got as we are that short handed.

Remember we are a LARGE organization.
I hear ya. It just that I've had some weird stuff happen in the past. I've had more then one job offer be reneged because of snafus or incompetence on the part of others. I'm naturally scared that something totally out of my hands will screw this up. I know the government is super slow and I shouldn't be worried and impatient. The thing is I'm not really expecting on-boarding to be lightening fast. I'm not as impatient as I am paranoid. I just don't need a repeat of things like "we misplaced your paperwork" or "due to a clerical error we offered the job to the wrong candidate" that's screws me out of this.

Who knows, maybe I'll get my Wonka Golden Ticket by the end of the day.

Thanks for the insight and encouragement. It actually does quash the anxiety to get a perspective from someone who knows the process.
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I hear ya. It just that I've had some weird stuff happen in the past. I've had more then one job offer be reneged because of snafus or incompetence on the part of others. I'm naturally scared that something totally out of my hands will screw this up. I know the government is super slow and I shouldn't be worried and impatient. The thing is I'm not really expecting on-boarding to be lightening fast. I'm not as impatient as I am paranoid. I just don't need a repeat of things like "we misplaced your paperwork" or "due to a clerical error we offered the job to the wrong candidate" that's screws me out of this.

Who knows, maybe I'll get my Wonka Golden Ticket by the end of the day.

Thanks for the insight and encouragement. It actually does quash the anxiety to get a perspective from someone who knows the process.

The Wonka golden ticket is presented to you after your probation period. Then it takes 8 times as long to can you out the door.. LoL

I’ve seen some of the new guys arrive pretty quickly and others have taken months. I’m sure there is a reason but who knows what it is. When I hired in 30+ years ago I received the offer via phone on a Friday and started working the following Tuesday. The only reason I didn’t start on Monday was it was a holiday.

The pay isn’t the greatest, BUT the LONG term benefits are well worth it.
Once your onboard just follow your coworkers lead and do as your asked.
We do things differently then on the outside and it’s a learning curve.

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Thank you! It came in the form of an email.
Welcome aboard to you also Cam3848.
You’ll enjoy your years at NavFac

It’s been so hard to hire people that we are now starting to double stuff positions. My boss asked me to let him know 5 years prior to retirement so they can hire my replacement. They way that works is, he would ride with me and learn the insider stuff I’ve been doing for so long. It’s the corporate knowledge of the system and facility that is lost when us old folks just walk out the door.


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Welcome aboard to you also Cam3848.
You’ll enjoy your years at NavFac

It’s been so hard to hire people that we are now starting to double stuff positions. My boss asked me to let him know 5 years prior to retirement so they can hire my replacement. They way that works is, he would ride with me and learn the insider stuff I’ve been doing for so long. It’s the corporate knowledge of the system and facility that is lost when us old folks just walk out the door.


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Wirenuting,
As an experienced Navfac guy, could you explain some of those long term benefits you've mentioned that make it worth the lower pay?
I understand working for the government has unparalleled job security which especially appeals to tradesmen, but I'm not seeing how the pay is competitive enough at the journeyman level. I've been researching local trade union apprenticeships and comparing what they have to offer with Navfac's program.
Unless I'm completely reading the government wage schedules wrong, there's a substantial difference between the two with Navfac paying journeymen (that's WG10 or 11, right?) close to HALF of what the union pays. I would assume the health insurance rates and retirement options are better with government than union, but enough to make up for that big of a pay gap?

Thanks in advance for imparting wisdom, this is a career move I've been anticipating for a while and I really want to go with NAVFAC, but I need to be able to justify that pay gap before putting all my eggs in one basket
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Welcome aboard to you also Cam3848.
You’ll enjoy your years at NavFac

It’s been so hard to hire people that we are now starting to double stuff positions. My boss asked me to let him know 5 years prior to retirement so they can hire my replacement. They way that works is, he would ride with me and learn the insider stuff I’ve been doing for so long. It’s the corporate knowledge of the system and facility that is lost when us old folks just walk out the door.

Weird, I'm with NavSea and when I was hired I was placed on a 7 man team, after a month I learned 71% of the team was looking for, and wanted a new job. It's just as you've said, the pay isn't great and doing overtime is a must to survive, but the benefits are worth it compared to other places. However, if the work culture isn't great then retaining the teams and maintaining morals will be hard.
Most of the other apprentices in the program are already bragging about how they're using this apprenticeship to step into the government and planning not to complete it after 2 years.
The school and management also doesn’t seem to care about retaining their workforce as there’s always someone from other bases who are willing to transfer over or step into the apprenticeship to rinse and repeat the 2 years opportunist probation cycle ticket into the government.
But hey, if the feds have money to waste on an apprenticeship and workforce they have no intention into retaining then so be it, it is what it is. Having a constant source of money that comes from the tax payers does seem to promote wastefulness.
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