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Old 06-27-2020, 12:11 AM   #21
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12? We took well over 100.

and COS means nothing except maybe to locals. Had to google it.

Colorado Springs, CO
I thought 12 was a bit low as well but didn't want to comment on it. In our area classes are 30 which usually means about 10 will make it all the way through to graduation.

I also googled COS (well actually local 113)
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I thought 12 was a bit low as well but didn't want to comment on it. In our area classes are 30 which usually means about 10 will make it all the way through to graduation.

I also googled COS (well actually local 113)
That's understandable since you seem to be embellishing a bit on the sales pitch for the union.(although I suspect just naively and not maliciously)

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But being a union member actually eliminates much of the BS of being a working electrician.

The union protects you from employers in many ways. There are rules in place to make sure you are safe at work and get paid on time. You receive constant training and absolutely know when you will be promoted and get pay increases which is basically yearly until you are a journeyman. You get great benefits which include vacation, health care, and multiple pensions. Union pay is generally higher than merit shops.

Here's a list of cases filed against the IBEW by their members for lack of representation, two of which are local 113.

unionfacts.com/ulp/International_Brotherhood_of_Electrical_Workers/8%2528b%2529%25281%2529%2528A%2529_Duty_of_Fair_Re presentation%252C_incl%2527g_Superseniority%252C_d enial_of_access

I was on the Labor Management Committee before I left, this is the local committee that tries to resolve grievances, if we came to an impasse they go to CIR. I fought for the members against the local and district reps as much as I did the contractors, I was disgusted, reached out to international reps and they would just give me bureaucratic BS answers that appeared to me to just be a cover-your-ass in case the member would file a lawsuit, didn't seem to care about the member.

It's definitely better than many merit shops and I expect there are good locals but it has serious problems and I think the only way for it to improve is for people to quit trying to hide it's problems and promoting unrealistic expectations to candidates.
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That's understandable since you seem to be embellishing a bit on the sales pitch for the union.(although I suspect just naively and not maliciously)
Thanks for not thinking I was being malicious. I don't believe I was embellishing. I guess I've just had a good experience. Interestingly, even though I am still a member, I am now management so the union does not treat me like a member except for inviting me to the occasional BBQ where no business is discussed. I'm not allowed to go to the meetings and derive no benefit except for future pensions and the ability to pay into a group for my own health care.

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Here's a list of cases filed against the IBEW by their members for lack of representation, two of which are local 113.
IBEW is a very large organization with a lot of cranky members who occasionally sue. That should come as no surprise. A more telling statistic would be what percentage of cases brought are found for the claimant. I'm guessing it is very small.
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Fair enough. I just talked to one of the instructions at the local JATC program and he said they are bringing on 12 apprentices. Definitely more than I thought, so who knows, maybe I have a chance of getting in there this August
12? We took well over 100.

and COS means nothing except maybe to locals. Had to google it.

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12? We took well over 100.

and COS means nothing except maybe to locals. Had to google it.

Colorado Springs, CO
I thought 12 was a bit low as well but didn't want to comment on it. In our area classes are 30 which usually means about 10 will make it all the way through to graduation.

I also googled COS (well actually local 113)
Yes, Colorado Springs, Local 113. 12 apprentices this go-around was what he said but maybe I misunderstood? It would be great if it's more, I'd have better odds
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