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Old 01-17-2017, 08:18 AM   #41
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You should take a course on anger management.
All those classes just served to be another thing that ticked me off!
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:19 AM   #42
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Me thinks that would be a Canadian!
Busted.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:25 AM   #43
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Are those "retesticals" sometimes controlled by 'C witches'?
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Why is getting the certificate a problem? Most online classes you can print them out when you are done.
yeah but does anybody care? i need my ticket to play in the adult world and for that you need to shell out los dineros $$$

maybe not for you old guys so much but us spring chickens like moving around and using power tools. i couldn't dredge up the motivation to sit in another lecture right now if my life depended on it! nothing to do with learning, plenty to do with how **** academia is atm!
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yeah but does anybody care? i need my ticket to play in the adult world and for that you need to shell out los dineros $$$

maybe not for you old guys so much but us spring chickens like moving around and using power tools. i couldn't dredge up the motivation to sit in another lecture right now if my life depended on it! nothing to do with learning, plenty to do with how **** academia is atm!
There are no free lunches, if you want something better than what you have you need to pay the dues to get there. If it's sitting in a class or in a chair in front of the computer screen.
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Troll or not I'm using that **** at some point.
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There are no free lunches, if you want something better than what you have you need to pay the dues to get there. If it's sitting in a class or in a chair in front of the computer screen.
ah, a RW construction worker, how refreshing! *wink, wink*

do you not agree that the value of a BA is overinflated atm? most online schools are scams! i wish we had something like open university here in the states. i may attend yet!

i've noticed that tradesmen seem to undervalue themselves; most of my problems with the guys i work with seem to do with validation. "but you are smart and nice and really funny too!"

i studied at the ivy league but i choose to be here. most electricians seem like pretty happy people when they forget that they're blue collar workers.
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ah, a RW construction worker, how refreshing! *wink, wink*

do you not agree that the value of a BA is overinflated atm? most online schools are scams! i wish we had something like open university here in the states. i may attend yet!

i've noticed that tradesmen seem to undervalue themselves; most of my problems with the guys i work with seem to do with validation. "but you are smart and nice and really funny too!"

i studied at the ivy league but i choose to be here. most electricians seem like pretty happy people when they forget that they're blue collar workers.

Yeah I guess right wing fits.

Yes a BA can be very over rated.

"Smart and nice" don't tell anybody. Thanks, I like being funny. Not everyone gets my humor.

Blue collar has it pluses and benefits.

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i've noticed that tradesmen seem to undervalue themselves; most of my problems with the guys i work with seem to do with validation. "but you are smart and nice and really funny too!"

i studied at the ivy league but i choose to be here. most electricians seem like pretty happy people when they forget that they're blue collar workers.

Blue collars BUILT America , White collars simply took credit

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Blue collars BUILT America , White collars simply took credit, took huge financial risks, gambled on unproven technology, and propelled the United States to becoming an industrial superpower, and the richest, most prosperous country in the history of the world.

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Blue collars BUILT America , White collars simply took credit

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Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

BOTH collars built America.

Being a White Collar does not mean that your are a RENTIER.
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The men in my family have always been tradesmen and artisans. From engineers on down the line. We have all done well with some in the absolute highest levels of their trades.

There is a great deal of family pride that two of them have built companies that have made the list of top ten contractors in the country several years running.

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What are some of the legitimate reasons journeyman can F with you? If you're talking good natured ribbing, that's fine. If you mean treat you like crap and give you a hard time, there are zero reasons for it. And anyone saying different is an idiot i hope you never have the misfortune to work with like I did years ago.
Bullying is such a huge topic everywhere these days but it's still hard to define.

It's similar to when the debate was what constitutes ****. A US Supreme Court justice said it best: "I know it when I see it." I can't think of a better way to summarize it.

Just because you find something offensive does not make it so.
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Bullying is such a huge topic everywhere these days but it's still hard to define.

It's similar to when the debate was what constitutes ****. A US Supreme Court justice said it best: "I know it when I see it." I can't think of a better way to summarize it.

Just because you find something offensive does not make it so.
I learned something today. This site automatically edited a certain word in my post (p*rn) and inserted ****.
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I knew when I was being treated like **** and responded quiclkly and appropriately to the scumbag in question. It was actually pretty easy for me to figure out. I imagine it could be difficult for some.
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I knew when I was being treated like **** and responded quiclkly and appropriately to the scumbag in question. It was actually pretty easy for me to figure out. I imagine it could be difficult for some.

When I started the apprenticeship program in 1974 most of the J-men were WWII vets who were very matter-of-fact and showed little regard for a lowly apprentice. I learned quickly to keep my mouth shut and do what I was told.

There was very little room for backtalk or complaining. I wouldn't call any of it bullying or actual mistreatment, just knowing that I was expendable. There was no HR department or thought of going to the owner/boss to complain. It all made me a better person.

I will say it was very satisfying when I finally topped out to not have to take their BS anymore. It's been a fantastic career and would do it all over again.
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When I started the apprenticeship program in 1974 most of the J-men were WWII vets who were very matter-of-fact and showed little regard for a lowly apprentice. I learned quickly to keep my mouth shut and do what I was told.

There was very little room for backtalk or complaining. I wouldn't call any of it bullying or actual mistreatment, just knowing that I was expendable. There was no HR department or thought of going to the owner/boss to complain. It all made me a better person.

I will say it was very satisfying when I finally topped out to not have to take their BS anymore. It's been a fantastic career and would do it all over again.
I had a very similar anointing into the trade myself and much of the wrath came from my own Uncles that were WWII combat vets. I would also do it all over again.
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What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Soon it will just roll off your shoulders. Bullying is over emphasized. I was tough to sticks and stones... Now a days kids end up with shrinks and social workers quivering in a corner. No wonder China is taking over.
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