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Old 03-14-2019, 08:25 PM   #141
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I'll use a local example to illustrate just how stupid these arbitrary rules are. It's still legal to run NM cable above suspended ceilings in Massachusetts in commercial occupancies because MA has amended the NEC and has ever since the NEC changed the rule. But step 100 feet over the border into any neighboring state to Massachusetts and suddenly it's wrong and dangerous to run NM cable above a suspended ceiling.

The same could be said for Chicago and its EMT rules. Once you step outside of Chicago it's ok to use NM cable again.
NH passed an amendment that lets us do it now too.
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Hereís a wire nut that blew apart under heavy load in a concealed JB. Water damage. Five year old Siemens panel. Breaker did not trip.
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NH passed an amendment that lets us do it now too.
Recently? Sounds like a case of "If you can't beat them, join them" taking place based on the amount of MA contractors that work in NH every day.
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As I said, I don't bury splices as a rule. I only do it when it's the absolute last resort. .
Yeah........like when there’s wallpaper on the walls.

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I'm not sure potential troubleshooting is a realistic factor in this issue cause we
are permitted to bury splices underground outside...right? Those are still
potential weak points in the circuit (as stated by others and of which I agree) ...BUT
why is it okay to bury a splice underground as opposed to indoors behind a wall?
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I'm not sure potential troubleshooting is a realistic factor in this issue cause we
are permitted to bury splices underground outside...right? Those are still
potential weak points in the circuit (as stated by others and of which I agree) ...BUT
why is it okay to bury a splice underground as opposed to indoors behind a wall?
Fire hazard in a wall. No fire hazard under ground
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Fire hazard in a wall. No fire hazard under ground
No more of a fire hazard than the other 50-200 junction boxes in the walls.
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Man, I could swear I remember seeing a picture of a manufacturers mid-coil butt splice that someone, maybe 480?, came across.
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No more of a fire hazard than the other 50-200 junction boxes in the walls.
But that is why joints and splices must be in approved boxes. You do realize that the box is not just there to support the receptacles and lights right?

Canít believe I need to explain this to you
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Man, I could swear I remember seeing a picture of a manufacturers mid-coil butt splice that someone, maybe 480?, came across.
I have found those in Romex. I actually have one in a junction box in my attic.
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But that is why joints and splices must be in approved boxes.
I agree. I never said to make a flying splice in the wall.

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You do realize that the box is not just there to support the receptacles and lights right?

Canít believe I need to explain this to you
You don't have to explain it to me, and give up the condescending BS. I never advocated to make a splice without a box. No one has.
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I'm not sure potential troubleshooting is a realistic factor in this issue cause we
are permitted to bury splices underground outside...right? Those are still
potential weak points in the circuit (as stated by others and of which I agree) ...BUT
why is it okay to bury a splice underground as opposed to indoors behind a wall?
Think about it another way: the guys here saying they do it or would do it, still say they don't/wouldn't do it often. If it were allowed, there would be nothing stopping someone from making dozens of buried splices in one installation, which would definitely turn into a troubleshooting nightmare, and in my opinion hazard.

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Think about it another way: the guys here saying they do it or would do it, still say they don't/wouldn't do it often. If it were allowed, there would be nothing stopping someone from making dozens of buried splices in one installation, which would definitely turn into a troubleshooting nightmare, and in my opinion hazard.
It's not optimal to do it, I definitely agree with that.

But we all find ourselves doing things that aren't optimal sometimes.

Right now I have a guy installing a new 20/40 panel in a house with 18 circuits. I don't like it, it's not the best way to do it, but it is the only panel that will fit.
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Yeah........like when thereís wallpaper or crown moulding on the walls.

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Yeah........like when thereís wallpaper on the walls.

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This is coming from the guy who can't do electrical work without the government protecting him.
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This is coming from the guy who can't do electrical work without the government protecting him.
Yes the work I do is code compliant and passes inspection. There is no one protecting me. Itís actually the norm for professional electricians, I donít expect a handyman hack like yourself to understand
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Yes the work I do is code compliant
What about the car charger installation that would be prohibited by code but you said you would lie in the load calc to make it work? That was ok to break code? You can pick and choose which code you break, huh?
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Yes the work I do is code compliant and passes inspection. There is no one protecting me. Itís actually the norm for professional electricians, I donít expect a handyman hack like yourself to understand
The norm for professional electricians is not to go running to the government to have a government inspector looking at and approving their work.
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