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Wiresmith 09-12-2017 05:34 PM

NEC is law but no enforcement
 
do you guys think having the nec as the state law (it is in my state) but there being little if any enforcement of the code unless an accident happens, helps or hurts good contractors and or electricians.

hardworkingstiff 09-12-2017 05:42 PM

I fair much better in places that have NEC enforcement. My prices have always been higher than the low guy, and I had a good rep with customers and inspectors.

I just ask that the inspector not show any partiality. Don't let something slide with one contractor and nail another one for it.

backstay 09-12-2017 06:08 PM

NEC is not law, it's a regulation or statute. Is it good for electrical contractors? Mostly, some of it is pure BS though.

Wiresmith 09-12-2017 06:14 PM

it is adopted as state law in ohio, i would guess other places as well. even though i have never been in a building where i haven't found code violations, even new state inspected buildings.

Wiresmith 09-12-2017 06:25 PM

it just seems it may handicap contractors that care about abiding by the law. especially when it comes to codes that are generally accepted in the industry more as guidelines and in special circumstances not rigidly followed. and also kind of desensitizes people with the code when you see blatant violations passed by state inspectors.

HackWork 09-12-2017 06:31 PM

The NEC is stupid and I don't like it.

lighterup 09-12-2017 07:13 PM

I like NEC code standards and do my best to learn it and apply it.
If we did not have code standards , any one would be permitted to
do what we do.

I"m with hardworkingstiff...I want fair treatment with inspections

trentonmakes 09-12-2017 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hd13 (Post 4335122)
it is adopted as state law in ohio, i would guess other places as well. even though i have never been in a building where i haven't found code violations, even new state inspected buildings.

Its adopted here in NJ too, but its not law
Its a code or standard.
Manufacturers would be considered law because they Trump the NEC and AHJ[emoji106]


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pudge565 09-12-2017 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HackWork (Post 4335154)
The NEC is stupid and I don't like it.

Hi Hack!

HackWork 09-12-2017 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pudge565 (Post 4335410)
Hi Hack!

Who are you? I used to know a Pudge before he and Gold deserted me.

backstay 09-12-2017 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hd13 (Post 4335122)
it is adopted as state law in ohio, i would guess other places as well. even though i have never been in a building where i haven't found code violations, even new state inspected buildings.

Adopted as a regulation.

Ohio Regulations
Reviewed: 6/8/2017

Board of Building Standards
Regina Hanshaw, Executive Secretary
6606 Tussing Road
P.O. Box 4009
Reynoldsburg, Ohio 43068-9009
Phone: (614) 644-2613
Fax: (614) 644-3147
Faxback: (614) 728-1244

Adopted Code. 2017 National Electrical Code, effective November 1, 2017. (NEC-2014 until said date)
Adoption type. State-wide. Code was adopted by the state and is mandatory for all structures.
At a Glance: Licensing Requirements
Electrical Inspectors? Yes. Exam required: NCPCCI—2A and 2B; or ICC—E1 and E2
Electricians? No
Electrical Contractors? Yes
CE Requirements

State of Ohio requires 30 hours of continuing education courses must be completed and attached before renewal of residential and commercial personnel certification within a two-year period. These include electrical inspectors, residential building official, residential plans examiner, residential building inspector, and residential industrialized unit inspector.
Reciprocates

West Virginia and Kentucky (Contractors only)
For additional licensing information, please contact the state board or local jurisdiction in which you reside.


Very few of the rules we live by in this country are laws.

trentonmakes 09-12-2017 07:58 PM

Its a STANDARD!

The*National Electrical Code*(NEC), or*NFPA 70, is a regionally adoptable standard for the safe installation of*electrical wiring*and equipment in the*United States. It is part of the National Fire Codes series published by the*National Fire Protection Association(NFPA), a private*trade association.[1]*Despite the use of the term "national", it is not a*federal law. It is typically adopted by*statesand municipalities in an effort to standardize their enforcement of safe electrical practices.[2]*In some cases, the NEC is amended, altered and may even be rejected in lieu of regional regulations as voted on by local governing bodies.

The "authority having jurisdiction" inspects for compliance with these minimum standards




States can adopt part or whole of the NEC
or not adopt it at all


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hardworkingstiff 09-12-2017 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trentonmakes (Post 4335554)
Its a STANDARD!

The*National Electrical Code*(NEC), or*NFPA 70, is a regionally adoptable standard for the safe installation of*electrical wiring*and equipment in the*United States. It is part of the National Fire Codes series published by the*National Fire Protection Association(NFPA), a private*trade association.[1]*Despite the use of the term "national", it is not a*federal law. It is typically adopted by*statesand municipalities in an effort to standardize their enforcement of safe electrical practices.[2]*In some cases, the NEC is amended, altered and may even be rejected in lieu of regional regulations as voted on by local governing bodies.

The "authority having jurisdiction" inspects for compliance with these minimum standards




States can adopt part or whole of the NEC
or not adopt it at all


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Curious, if you don't comply with the standard, did you break a law?

backstay 09-12-2017 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hardworkingstiff (Post 4335602)
Curious, if you don't comply with the standard, did you break a law?

It's not a law, so no. You've broken a regulation. The state may have passed a law defining penalties for breaking their regulations.

hardworkingstiff 09-12-2017 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by backstay (Post 4335642)
It's not a law, so no. You've broken a regulation. The state may have passed a law defining penalties for breaking their regulations.

I think it doesn't matter what anyone calls it, if you don't comply you eventually won't get to play. Semantics.

trentonmakes 09-12-2017 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardworkingstiff (Post 4335602)
Curious, if you don't comply with the standard, did you break a law?

Only if someone dies....

Code is just a minimum standard to meet which is why most states adopt it, its uniformed and easier than making up thier own.

Im sure we all have had an AHJ go above and beyong code simply because.....he can
He just cant force you to do less than code.

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hardworkingstiff 09-12-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by trentonmakes (Post 4335690)

Im sure we all have had an AHJ go above and beyong code simply because.....he can
He just cant force you to do less than code.

Due to some strong willed electricians, our inspectors don't push their opinion.

TGGT 09-12-2017 08:35 PM

We need CODE AND ORDER!!!

MTW 09-12-2017 09:25 PM

Common sense can easily replace NEC rules. The NEC is nothing more than a front for manufacturers to push their products. I would much rather be in a place that doesn't enforce the NEC.

papaotis 09-12-2017 09:53 PM

I'm still in the thought of ' minimum '? Or overdone


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