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Old 03-27-2020, 06:05 AM   #21
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If the inspector is making a fuss over this, he must be inexperienced. Water guys have always been around. Almost it's own different trade. I imagine states have different ways of looking at it or regulating it, but I'm surprised he's making a fuss over it. I can't imagine him realizing all of a sudden, what's that piece of equipment and who works on those?
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:15 AM   #22
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If the inspector is making a fuss over this, he must be inexperienced. Water guys have always been around. Almost it's own different trade. I imagine states have different ways of looking at it or regulating it, but I'm surprised he's making a fuss over it. I can't imagine him realizing all of a sudden, what's that piece of equipment and who works on those?
All of the other contractors who did this work might be properly licensed.

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Does New Jersey offer a "low voltage" electrical license, or any other category of "limited" electrical license, as an alternative to meeting the qualifications needed to obtain an electrical contractor's license?
No. The electrical contractor license is the only category of electrical license available in New Jersey.

Anyone interested in performing any type of electrical work in New Jersey should fully familiarize themselves with N.J.S.A. 45:5A-18 "Exempt work or construction". There you will find details regarding "Electrical work or construction which…shall not be included within the business of electrical contracting so as to require the securing of a business permit…". Generally speaking, unless the electrical work you are interested in performing is covered within this section, an electrical contractor's license is required. Of particular note is N.J.S.A. 45:5A-18(j) "Any work with a potential of less than 10 volts". Again, generally speaking, electrical work with a potential of 10 or more volts is not exempt from licensing requirements.

You may read applicable Statutes on this web site. From the home page, click on Laws and Regulations, then select Electrician Laws. Should you have any additional questions about licensing requirements you may contact the Board's office at (973) 504-6410.

What is a limited telecommunications wiring exemption and how do I obtain an application?
In essence, any work other than wiring for voice and/or data transmission is not within the permissible scope of work for the holder of a limited telecommunications wiring exemption. A limited telecommunications wiring exemption should never be construed as authorization to perform what is often erroneously referred to as "low voltage" electrical work.

Pursuant to N.J.A.C. 13:31-4.1(b) , "telecommunications wiring" means wiring within a premises, either inside or outside a building for voice and/or data transmission at voltage(s) compatible with the system being installed and connected to an F.C.C.-recognized communication network at the point of connection provided by the public utility providing communication services to the customer. It shall also include the interconnection of data wiring between computers and/or terminals.
His state might be like this, or have a low voltage license, etc.
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It was for a shutting off the water going into an atmospheric storage tank. A float switch controls a normally closed solenoid valve which is powered by a 24v transformer. It IS something that is manually put together, but I didn't think that mattered with a situation like that. He saw me putting it together when he was there to do a final on the house. It was new construction. Unfortunately, I gave him way too much info. Wasn't thinking straight in the situation. I didn't answer his phone call, but he has all my business info, which he couldn've gotten off my truck anyways.

Damn dude, sorry to hear this. I do wish you the best of luck....
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I'm not sure who those people are, but I don't knock on anybody's door unless they ask me to come look at their water. I work on residential wells, and they often have pretty bad water. This particular place has a huge amount of iron in it, as well as tannins, and general low water production. Before treatment, it looks like dark tea coming out of the hose. I rarely see things that are harmful, just nuisance stuff that causes staining and whatnot. It's usually the opposite actually. People call me freaking out about minimal amounts of harmful things like arsenic or coliform, and I have to calm them down and convince them it's not as big of a deal as they're making it out to be.
My apologies. Here we call what you do "water conditioning" which is treating well water prior to point of use.

The scammers I was talking about have a fake test kit and they represent that they're with the water utility with trucks, uniforms and laminated id's which closely resemble the water utility. They scam naive people out of big money by selling a $300 water filter for $8,000.00 or as much as they can get. They get chased all the time around here. One had the balls to knock on my door on a Saturday morning. Told him who I was and that he needed to stop doing that in the city. Hour later I'm driving to the store and there he is knocking on my neighbor's door. Had a city cop arrest him for soliciting without a permit. Last time I saw him or that company in our city.
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It was for a shutting off the water going into an atmospheric storage tank. A float switch controls a normally closed solenoid valve which is powered by a 24v transformer. It IS something that is manually put together, but I didn't think that mattered with a situation like that. He saw me putting it together when he was there to do a final on the house. It was new construction. Unfortunately, I gave him way too much info. Wasn't thinking straight in the situation. I didn't answer his phone call, but he has all my business info, which he couldn've gotten off my truck anyways.
Hell farmers do that allatime.
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My apologies. Here we call what you do "water conditioning" which is treating well water prior to point of use.

The scammers I was talking about have a fake test kit and they represent that they're with the water utility with trucks, uniforms and laminated id's which closely resemble the water utility. They scam naive people out of big money by selling a $300 water filter for $8,000.00 or as much as they can get. They get chased all the time around here. One had the balls to knock on my door on a Saturday morning. Told him who I was and that he needed to stop doing that in the city. Hour later I'm driving to the store and there he is knocking on my neighbor's door. Had a city cop arrest him for soliciting without a permit. Last time I saw him or that company in our city.
Wow, I've never seen that, but I spend very little time in cities for any reason really haha. I totally agree with people like that getting what they deserve. Well water around here can be pretty terrible, and I won't deny that some point of entry systems can be a little on the pricey side, but I pay plenty for them myself (Don't make much on service work and I do this to make a living). It's definitely nowhere near such a crazy mark up as that though. That's straight up robbery. I've been doing this for ~20 years and learned it from my dad who did it for 40 years. I never lie to customers and I never try to sell them something I don't think they actually need. I can actually remember plenty of times where I tried to talk people OUT of un-needed treatment that they were insisting on.
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Hell farmers do that allatime.
Yeah that was my thinking as well. At the very least they ought to give a pass once for somebody that understandably didn't realize it wasn't allowed. I even said to the inspector "Hey, if I'm not supposed to be doing this, I'll take it out right now and let the electrician do it". He wouldn't tell me a thing, just said "Oh, I'm not supposed to tell you anything like that". Then comes back from his car and puts a non compliance sticker on everything. Passive aggressive a-hole.
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https://ecology.wa.gov/Water-Shoreli...r-supply/Wells

More likely it is somewhere answered and spawned off of this. I doubt a sparky light bulb inspector is with a dept of environmental ecology.

Do you have a state OPRA (open record Or freedom of information request form?) If so print one out.

Also inquire if the inspection agency has E/O insurance? Error and Omissions is the easiest to breech.
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Doesn’t this fall into the early parts of article 110 where the AHJ is god....(little g)?

It was likely best to not ask about it. You let the genie out of the bottle by asking.

Put it all in a box, get a UL508A shop to build it, and (nicely) tell the AHJ to pound sand.
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I used to do water meter telemetry installs where I mostly wired the transmitters but occasionally had to install the water meters too. One apartment job had multiple trades working after a fire and the inspector popped in and demanded everyone's license info. "Even you plumber." he says. I'm not a licensed plumber. I told him it was in the truck... I just drove away. I don't need that heat.
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My apologies. Here we call what you do "water conditioning" which is treating well water prior to point of use.

The scammers I was talking about have a fake test kit and they represent that they're with the water utility with trucks, uniforms and laminated id's which closely resemble the water utility. They scam naive people out of big money by selling a $300 water filter for $8,000.00 or as much as they can get. They get chased all the time around here. One had the balls to knock on my door on a Saturday morning. Told him who I was and that he needed to stop doing that in the city. Hour later I'm driving to the store and there he is knocking on my neighbor's door. Had a city cop arrest him for soliciting without a permit. Last time I saw him or that company in our city.

At least they have the decency to knock on the door and talk to you. Around me they just leave the complimentary test bottle at your front door, ask you to fill it, collect it and then a week later they swarm the street and tell you how bad your water is, needs this, needs that. It was pretty funny when they showed up, came in and gave their whole spiel, and I showed them the results from my own test i had done a month prior. (my wife was complaining). I've never seen someone exit an awkward situation so quickly. I hate all door salesman with a passion. Thanks to my Ring doorbell, i hardly interact with them anymore
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