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Old 01-08-2020, 04:34 PM   #1
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Default In Use Covers and G.F.C.I. Protection

Why does an exterior receptacle need to be G.F.C.I.
protected when it's in an in use cover? Why shouldn't any receptacle within 6' of a door leading outside not be G.F.C.I. protected?

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Old 01-08-2020, 04:37 PM   #2
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Why does an exterior receptacle need to be G.F.C.I.
protected when it's in an in use cover?
The cover doesn't make any difference to the situation. The issue is the person standing on the wet ground while plugging something in and possibly touching the hot prong, or touching part of the electrical item that became energized, or that item being on the wet ground that you might step on and get into the voltage gradient.

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Why shouldn't any receptacle within 6' of a door leading outside not be G.F.C.I. protected?
I don't doubt people have suggested it, and it will one day be part of the 43,000 page code.
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Why does an exterior receptacle need to be G.F.C.I.
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I should make a code proposal .... Realistically, someone could run an ext cord outside
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We have to G.F.C.I. protect a receptacle 6' from a sink. Why not from 6' from an exterior door?


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We have to G.F.C.I. protect a receptacle 6' from a sink. Why not from 6' from an exterior door?
Because there has to be a line somewhere, and that line is always going to be arbitrary and a matter of opinion.

It is more likely for someone to bring an electrical item near a sink than run a cord outside, so they made the lin between those two things. The line will change.
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We have to G.F.C.I. protect a receptacle 6' from a sink. Why not from 6' from an exterior door?


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And 6' from a window, just in case it's left open during a storm !
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And 6' from a window, just in case it's left open during a storm !
I never thought about that.
I'm going to start selling G.F.C.I. protection 6' from any opening that goes outside.
Maybe in use covers and G.F.C.I. protection in the dining room? Somebody could spill the pitcher of lemonade.


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Because there has to be a line somewhere, and that line is always going to be arbitrary and a matter of opinion.



It is more likely for someone to bring an electrical item near a sink than run a cord outside, so they made the lin between those two things. The line will change.
The line always does and it usually goes to the lowest common denominator and cash grab combo.

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If memory serves there are places (Europe?) where the entire panel is GFCI protected. So I'm sure someday in the near future we will be looking sat whole panel AFCI and GFCI protection. Plus whatever new CI they can come up with. Maybe BFCI.

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Maybe in use covers and G.F.C.I. protection in the dining room? Somebody could spill the pitcher of lemonade.
You know what, this makes sense everywhere. Kitchen plugs (you never know if the homeowner will spray the backsplash with their fancy faucet).

Makes sense in the bathrooms (kids and those damn showers heads on a hose, am I right?).

Makes sense for every other receptacle in the house (those kids and their water balloon fights I tell ya!).

And of course, all the receptacles should be AFCI and GFCI protected as well.

Where do we stop with this?

How about those light switches? LOL!

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I always found it interesting how receptacles outside of a business do not have to be GFI, but in residential they do. (Canada)
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I always found it interesting how receptacles outside of a business do not have to be GFI, but in residential they do. (Canada)
That is quite interesting.

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Not that I want anymore to die. There is only so much stupid I can install wiring and devices to protect.
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Since we have to be "qualified" to install wiring, I think people should have to be qualified to use it.
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.....we have to use "weather-resistant" receptacles when they're installed in a weatherproof enclosure.


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.....we have to use "weather-resistant" receptacles when they're installed in a weatherproof enclosure.


I use to think that was just another code to benefit manufacturers. But I was told that the WR is there to protect device from ultra violet rays from the sun. Most in use covers are clear so the outlets are vulnerable from the rays.
I used to install non wr receptacles until I started getting call backs that the device failed. Since then I haven't had any issues purchasing WR outlets.
Now why there isn't a WR switch is beyond me.

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Now why there isn't a WR switch is beyond me.
No switches are WR because they make those expensive waterproof covers.

It would be useful to have some WR switches though. A few times I've installed a 2 gang bubble cover with a switch and a plug.

Now you got me curious about the WR rated stuff. I think I'll buy a WR GFCI and a regular GFCI this summer and stick them in the dash of the car to see which one lasts longer.


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How come hot water tanks don’t need GFCI protection??


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