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View Poll Results: Would you prefer a Solenoid Wiggy trip a GCFI outlet when measuring from Hot to Gnd?
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Old 06-14-2009, 09:05 AM   #1
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Hello,

I work for a company that designs electrical testers. I am working on a new design, and would like a opinion from as many fellow electricians as possible. I only need seconds of you time, and for you to simply give me a 1 or 2 word answer. But, let me give you a brief background first.

I am designing a new wiggy "type" product. I am aware of all of the testers that are out there, both solenoid and solid-state. I have used them all, and know of the T+, Volt/Con, pure solenoid, etc. I am looking for a preference here, and do not want to know which units do what. So, this question is about a typical wiggy. Standard wiggy's will give about a 10K load to the circuit it is measuring. This is good to eliminate ghost voltages. But, and a standard outlet, this will give you about 12mA of draw. If you were to measure Hot to Gnd in a GFCI outlet with this wiggy, this would trip the breaker.

My question is..........Is this a plus, or a minus for you??? Some may say they do not want this to trip, so they can measure the voltage to ground. Others may say they like it tripping, because they know the ground is good, and so is the GFCI breaker. They can get the voltage level from Hot to Neutral So, please give me your 1 or 2 word answer........

If you use a "wiggy" in a GFCI outlet, would you prefer Trip, or No Trip????

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Old 06-14-2009, 09:11 AM   #2
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No trip. (T+ has a gfci button)
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Thanks,

But again, I'm not looking for suggestions of what other units like a T+ (that sells for $50) do. I'm saying that "if" you are using a $20 solenoid wiggy, do you prefer trip, or no trip.
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I know that before the three-light receptacle with the GFCI test button, many guys would "test" a GFCI with the Wiggy. That was their pass/fail test. I think you'd be screwing up a good thing if that capability was removed.
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Not trip under normal test, trip with button only.
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No trip. Trip needs to be an feature on the tester.
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the knopp k 60 is the best solenoid tester on the market
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And for helping out we all get a free tester, correct?
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And for helping out we all get a free tester, correct?
I like this idea.
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I like this idea.

Fair is fair.
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You know thats right.
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I like it to trip.
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WELL BATTMAN NO IT DOESNT MAKE A DIFFERANCE . I like it to trip !!!

Sorry i just could not resist ! Take care Bruce

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The Knopp K-60 is a good example to use. Many feel it is the best Solenoid tester on the market today. The Knopp K-60 will trip a GFCI when measuring Hot to Gnd. My first thought was this unit could be even better, if it did not trip the GFCI, and allowed you to measure from Hot to Gnd. But, then I thought......You might be losing a "feature" you like by not tripping the GFCI. So, that is why I wanted to ask this question.

Yes, testers like the T+ will measure without tripping, and give you a button to test. I know some like this, but I kind of wanted to leave solid-state type testers out of this. That is why I wanted people loyal to solenoid type testers to reply. I wanted to know if they would be losing a feature. So far, the votes are for tripping, so it looks like I would be taking a desired "feature" away if a made a solenoid tester that does not trip.

It is still early, and I expect a lot more votes, so we will see where we end up. Thanks to everyone who has cast a vote so far.
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No trip. Add trip button.
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Thats how I test a GFI
Bit of a pain when it's a GFI breaker that you were not aware of and the panel location is far away or unknown.
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I want a Knopp size tester with long replaceable, flexible leads, solenoid and neon bulb, no trip, no continuity, I WANT a GO NO GO TESTER.
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