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Old 07-16-2009, 04:54 PM   #61
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Ideal screwdrivers are Wiha screwdrivers. Wiha = Germany. Knipex uses Wiha screwdrivers in their sets, and Wiha uses Knipex tools in their sets. Both are amazing.

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Old 07-16-2009, 05:03 PM   #62
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Good idea. Why didn't I think of that? Probably cause I don't own my own company and sit behind a desk all day chatting on ElectricianTalk.com.

Hey 480, you probably could care less but FYI, I was just kidding about the above statement.
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:13 PM   #63
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Germany is a heavily socialist/unionized country.

They still take pride in their crafts.
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:40 PM   #64
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they probably don't ship all their jobs overseas like the "big" greedy American corporations do.
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Smile My #2 Philips Klein SD works well.

I find them to be the best fitting in a screw. I have not had a problem with them wearing out.
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Default Wiha SDs are great.

However, Ideal is made in Taiwan as well as Greenlee...
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quote (steelersman) : Every pair of Klein dykes that I buy, the grips always want to slip off. I hate that. It makes me have to tape them on or worse yet, I take them off completely, which could prove fatal. Not cool.

Use two-part epoxy gel. I did this on my Journeyman linemans with the tape non-pulling slot. They have not moved since.

It's still not right to have to do that to a $35 plier (especially one that has a feature specifically designed FOR pulling). Still nor cool with them sliding around. I couldn't stand it. Just short of throwing them away, epoxy works very well.

Hint to Klein... As at least two other posters have found the same solution. How about epoxying the handle grips on before we buy the pliers so they do not slip off while we are on the job. Maybe rough up the handles a bit to give the grips something to mold into?

Just an idea.

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Use two-part epoxy gel. I did this on my Journeyman linemans with the tape non-pulling slot. They have not moved since
This was mentioned just an hour or so ago.
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This was mentioned just an hour or so ago.
Yeah, a couple of times.

Maybe Klein will take the idea to good use, and save us a couple of bucks.

It works.
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Default ...not a problem

Klein tools have never been a problem for me. When it comes to hacksaws though they are not made too well, that's when you make the switch to lenox.
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Klein tools have never been a problem for me. When it comes to hacksaws though they are not made too well, that's when you make the switch to lenox.
i like the klein heavy weight hacksaw a lot but they do need to work on the quality of the screwdrivers and pliers
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Lightbulb You guys have to give them another shot...

Klein"s 9" Linesman and the Dykes have the best knife on knife contact than any other plier. Their overlap is perfect providing for the perfect cutting action. I can cut anything from 12 gage to 22 gage with the same plier.

My J-man pliers do have epoxy holding the handles in place. I can see it on my high voltage pliers. I am sure the ones that are falling off are probably ones where there was a failure in manufacturing. This is why they have a lifetime warranty program. I have had issues where I did not like how my screwdriver looked after I brought it home because of the chrome plating. They take it back no questions asked.

Remember, they probably sell thousands of tools a day. Something is bound to be wrong every now and then. If you guys want action, return your product. Eventually someone will notice there is a problem and heads will roll. For those upset, I would try being a little more loyal and try some more product. I hate buying stuff made in Taiwan.
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Klein"s 9" Linesman and the Dykes have the best knife on knife contact than any other plier. Their overlap is perfect providing for the perfect cutting action. I can cut anything from 12 gage to 22 gage with the same plier.
I happen to agree with that, but they sure don't hold that edge like they used to.

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My J-man pliers do have epoxy holding the handles in place. I can see it on my high voltage pliers. I am sure the ones that are falling off are probably ones where there was a failure in manufacturing.
Seems to be an overwhelmingly popular failure that is pretty widely reported. People have been complaining about that, off and on, ever since the Journeyman series hit the market.

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Remember, they probably sell thousands of tools a day. Something is bound to be wrong every now and then.
You're right, but it's more than "now and then". It's more like "absurd".

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If you guys want action, return your product. Eventually someone will notice there is a problem and heads will roll.
Yeah, sounds like a ton of fun.

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For those upset, I would try being a little more loyal and try some more product. I hate buying stuff made in Taiwan.
I hate buying stuff from Taiwan too, but fool me once... well, you know the saying. I'm switching to Germany.
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Default Nothing wrong with German Tools.

Swiss tools are also great. The Swiss make a great line of hex keys.

I will still stick with the Kleins for pliers and drivers.
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im gonna look for anything German or Swiss. It would be nice to acually be able to keep a screwdriver for more than a couple of months. Ill hang on to my old Klein stuff as beaters.....Oh and ditto on the linemans not holding an edge. I keep an old and new set of Klein yellow handle linemans on my truck and for the first time today I wasnt sure which ones I had in my hand.....LOL really sad when you have to double cut mason twine....
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You know now that I think about it the first time I noticed the decline in quality was when I purchased my first pair of Journey mans series dykes. I remember paying extra for a better quality and I was seriously disappointed after a couple of months. Handles came off, and they REALLY lost their edge quickly.
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Klein"s 9" Linesman and the Dykes have the best knife on knife contact than any other plier. Their overlap is perfect providing for the perfect cutting action. I can cut anything from 12 gage to 22 gage with the same plier.

I hope they don't have an overlap. You sure can't expect them to cut anything if they have an overlap. Forget about it!
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I hate buying stuff from Taiwan too, but fool me once... well, you know the saying. I'm switching to Germany.


This is it right here. Klein - take note. I am loyal to a product, but if it sucks - I am moving on. I work too damn hard for my money and if my tools cant keep up with my work, then I need to move on.

I still own a lot of klein tools... but I am slowly working away from them.

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My J-man pliers do have epoxy holding the handles in place. I can see it on my high voltage pliers. I am sure the ones that are falling off are probably ones where there was a failure in manufacturing. This is why they have a lifetime warranty program. I have had issues where I did not like how my screwdriver looked after I brought it home because of the chrome plating. They take it back no questions asked.
Yeah right, you've obviously never tried to take a Klein product back to Home Depot or Lowes. Neither one of them want to take it back and it's a fight every time. Screw that, the Klein return policy is BS.

Klein still makes some good products, but some of them have seriously fallen off in quality from days gone past. They do have some pretty cool new tools out. The MC roto splits are nice, but heavy. The hot stick is really nice, just as good as the Fluke IMO and half the price. The adjustable recessed can hole saw BLOWS stay away from it, it's horrible.
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Klein"s 9" Linesman and the Dykes have the best knife on knife contact than any other plier. Their overlap is perfect providing for the perfect cutting action. I can cut anything from 12 gage to 22 gage with the same plier.

My J-man pliers do have epoxy holding the handles in place. I can see it on my high voltage pliers. I am sure the ones that are falling off are probably ones where there was a failure in manufacturing. This is why they have a lifetime warranty program. I have had issues where I did not like how my screwdriver looked after I brought it home because of the chrome plating. They take it back no questions asked.

Remember, they probably sell thousands of tools a day. Something is bound to be wrong every now and then. If you guys want action, return your product. Eventually someone will notice there is a problem and heads will roll. For those upset, I would try being a little more loyal and try some more product. I hate buying stuff made in Taiwan.
I think you have it backwards; Kline should be providing quality tools to its loyal customers.
Someone at Kline made a business decision to change their products. I am sure the management team that spiked the profits was well rewarded for their efforts. Everyone who was fooled into buying Kline tools in the past few years that expected to receive a premium tool at a premium price paid for their bonuses. Now that their business decisions are affecting the profitability of the company you think I should buy more of this junk to be loyal? As the old maxim goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
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