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Old 01-28-2009, 10:55 PM   #41
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:31 PM   #42
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Klein has a wierd cult like following, there are much much higher grade options out there, and most cost less. Look up Knipex and WERA tools. WIHA, Witte, RUKO, SOLA and others are great also.
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Klein has a wierd cult like following, there are much much higher grade options out there, and most cost less. Look up Knipex and WERA tools. WIHA, Witte, RUKO, SOLA and others are great also.

I think the brands you mentioned have a much wierder cult following them,
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Old 02-07-2009, 05:57 PM   #45
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Maybe that is why Klein is no longer at Lowe's or Sears?...the Quality issue. Lowe's just put in Knipex pliers
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that must be it...I mean lowe's only carries the highest quality stuff, right?
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I like some klein tools. I think they have the best linemans out there. I have a set of j2000 and after i put some gorrila glue in the handles they have been great. If I remember right they are 4 years old and still sharp.
But I do think having to glue the handles on a $40 pair of pliers is bs.

I've been using knipex for a few years and they are great.

I got tired of haveing to replace klein screwdrivers every few months so i just got a set of wiha. I haven't really had a chance to use them much so the jury is still out, but they seem to be of very high quality and not much price difference with klein.
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I love the 10n1 to. The convenience makes it worth it to me to have to replace one every so often.
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So..funny thing about this thread. The advertising software is picking up the "Klein" references so advertisements for Calvin Klein women's underwear keep popping up. I guess they figure that it will inspire gift buying or something like that.
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hey, beats seeing ads for klein tools...hotter models
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If they are, I don't like being forced to buy the high dollar series of tools just because they're making the regular line out of junk now.
I agree. Why does Klein have SO MANY different models of 9" lineman side cutting pliers??? Just the plain 9" New England nose, no crimper or tape-pulling slot. I found the 208-9NE, 213-9NE, D203-9NE, D213-9NE, D2000-9NE, J2000-9NE. I believe that with just one supplier, I found 8 different models of basically the same 9NE lineman pliers. Unless, it's because so many different trades and industries use this type of pliers that some just don't need the 'top of the line' plier.

Why not have just one? Or two, at most. One for general use, and one for professional use. idk.

Why even the need to come out with a 'Journeyman Series'? What professional electrician would not want these? And, what are the J-men supposed to think about their 'pre-Journeyman' pliers (including screwdrivers, diagonals...)? Are the old ones now considered the 'Apprentice Series'? I just don't get it. Seems like 'over-diversification' to me. Companies that get too far away from what they made their name on, get spread too thin, then find themselves in trouble...

When I bought mine (lineman plier), I bought the Journeyman 2000 series, because I figured that they are going to be used for years to come, only to have the grips pull off
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When I bought mine (lineman plier), I bought the Journeyman 2000 series, because I figured that they are going to be used for years to come, only to have the grips pull off
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in over 30 yrs of elec work, i've never had handles come off sidecutters. EXACTLY how do you " slip" off the handles ???
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in over 30 yrs of elec work, i've never had handles come off sidecutters. EXACTLY how do you " slip" off the handles ???
That's the big problem with the j2000 series linemans, every pair I've seen the handles have slipped on them.
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why not just have 1 or 2. What about other brands of sidecutters?
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I agree. Why does Klein have SO MANY different models of 9" lineman side cutting pliers??? Just the plain 9" New England nose, no crimper or tape-pulling slot. I found the 208-9NE, 213-9NE, D203-9NE, D213-9NE, D2000-9NE, J2000-9NE. I believe that with just one supplier, I found 8 different models of basically the same 9NE lineman pliers. Unless, it's because so many different trades and industries use this type of pliers that some just don't need the 'top of the line' plier.

Why not have just one? Or two, at most. One for general use, and one for professional use. idk.

Why even the need to come out with a 'Journeyman Series'? What professional electrician would not want these? And, what are the J-men supposed to think about their 'pre-Journeyman' pliers (including screwdrivers, diagonals...)? Are the old ones now considered the 'Apprentice Series'? I just don't get it. Seems like 'over-diversification' to me. Companies that get too far away from what they made their name on, get spread too thin, then find themselves in trouble...

When I bought mine (lineman plier), I bought the Journeyman 2000 series, because I figured that they are going to be used for years to come, only to have the grips pull off
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in over 30 yrs of elec work, i've never had handles come off sidecutters. EXACTLY how do you " slip" off the handles ???
I didn't slip off. The grips slipped off the handles...

... by using the 'fish tape pulling slot' of the J200-9NETP pliers to pull a fish tape. The Journeyman grips are nice and comfy in the hand, but I believe their larger size gives perhaps too much grip. (Or, maybe the material just doesn't adhere to the steel of the handles).

I pulled, and the grips 'slipped' off.

That's how.

Then I epoxied them back on, which lasted for nearly a year. I was pulling with them again, probably too hard. I heard the epoxy go 'snap', then they both would slip around -very annoying. I, then, just removed the grips completely and used them with no grips for about 3 weeks before mixing up a new batch of 2-part epoxy and sliding them back on again.

Next time, I'm just buying the plain-blue-gripped lineman plier.
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So..funny thing about this thread. The advertising software is picking up the "Klein" references so advertisements for Calvin Klein women's underwear keep popping up. I guess they figure that it will inspire gift buying or something like that.

I think that's just on your PC there Pete.
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I'm seeing it too... and it's a nice ad!
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i have never had a problem with my kleins but i am always looking to upgrade. i bought the klein 7 piece screwdriver set almost six years ago and they are holding up great minus the 5/16X6in that i used as a chisel . but i have a large number of kleins and no quality problems so for only warranty problems. im starting to make the move to ideal.
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