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Old 09-27-2009, 05:56 AM   #21
 
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True to capitalism, we see what happens today when quality of work or products goes down but prices stay the same or go up.
That's not capitalism's fault, it's the consumer's fault.

Capitalism = Freedom.

There's no other way.
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:14 AM   #22
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Capitalism enables and feeds greed. I hate capitalism. It allows the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. It eliminates the middle class.
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Capitalism enables and feeds greed.
There is nothing wrong with greed. Greed is the reason I am going to work today, and the day after, and the day after that. Maybe if more people were greedy we wouldn't need to be paying them welfare as they sit on their ass collecting money from the people who work.

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I hate capitalism.
Because you're lazy and think others should work for you.
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It allows the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.
Capitalism means everyone has a choice whether they want to be rich or poor.
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It eliminates the middle class.
Is there some God given right to be middle class that I am not aware of? Why would you yearn to be middle class? Why not work to be rich?

You sound like you're directly out of an IBEW re-education, I mean apprenticeship class, am I right? I went thru it too, only I didn't drink the Kool-Aid.

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No I did not go through IBEW apprenticeship. And I'm not lazy. I work my fulltime job and am usually working side jobs on weekends. I'm leaving right now as a matter of fact. Not everyone can be wealthy. So you work because you are greedy? I work because I need income.
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i love how this thread about HD selling some new tools got turned into a political/IBEW bashing thread... i believe there's an OFF TOPIC section this belongs in...
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Old 09-27-2009, 01:02 PM   #26
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That's not capitalism's fault, it's the consumer's fault.

Capitalism = Freedom.

There's no other way.
If this were true why are we having issues?

Look at it this way.

If capitalism is left to it's own devices, it will no longer be a free market because someone will manage to get to the top and control everything, anyway. Look up John Rockefeller, he figured, "Why pay the railroads to transport my goods? Cut out the middle man, own the railroads."

Hell, even look at Bill Gates, that man could've been Emperor of the United States by now if the government didn't break up the monopoly.

If you even look at totalitarian countries where the government essentially owns everything and there is no competition. That is the end result of capitalism. Nothing short of an invasion or a massive revolt is it possible to topple that kind of big business.
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Old 09-27-2009, 01:05 PM   #27
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I was just at Lowe's today, and they now have a pretty good selection of Knipex on the hooks. I was surprised to see that. Half-decent prices, I thought. They had about a dozen different pliers and cutters, and one "kit" with a couple screwdrivers, pliers, cutters, etc for 89 bucks.
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I was just at Lowe's today, and they now have a pretty good selection of Knipex on the hooks. I was surprised to see that. Half-decent prices, I thought. They had about a dozen different pliers and cutters, and one "kit" with a couple screwdrivers, pliers, cutters, etc for 89 bucks.
I'm intrigued.

I might run over there today just to take a look.

And maybe get a new pair of pliers.
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I don't get to Lowe's all that often, but I'm nearly certain the Knipex stuff was not there 3 or 4 weeks ago. They just showed up on the hooks in the last 3-4 weeks, I feel sure.
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its all online only for me. no stores that I know of on the west coast stock that stuff. I would just rather buy from acsupply then home dumpo.

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Platt electrical is the only place on West Coast I have Found Knipex cheap.

I've found the aligator channel locks for $17 for the 10".

I love those channies.
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Old 09-27-2009, 03:35 PM   #31
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I investigated, and it is official.

Lowe's has Knipex.

I guess the greenlee and ideal tools weren't cutting it, and they needed to get some "premium" tools to compete with Klein at Home Depot.

Either they were sold out or they just didn't get them in yet, but they didn't have the lineman pliers besides the insulated pair, though they had 3 hooks for 3 different kinds. I asked and she said they must be new because no other stores in the area had them either. I'll probably check back later this week.

Did get myself a little Greenlee voltage detector. The new model is much better than the one where you had to turn the top to turn it on, and if you turned it the wrong way it would pop off and your batteries would fall out. This way has a push button on/off, and it flashes periodically to remind you that it's on (unlike the old one), and it turns off after 5 minutes of no use. It also has a "silent mode" feature where it won't beep, which is a non-issue for where I work, anyway. I guess most of those features were standard with Fluke, but for a cheap V-detector it's not a bad alternative, and a massive improvement over the old model.

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how much was that new greenlee touch tester i might have to buy that the klein one sucks always just turns off
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how much was that new greenlee touch tester i might have to buy that the klein one sucks always just turns off
I've never really had any special complaints about my Fluke pen tester thingamajig. I had a Greenlee one once, and it was pretty frustrating. It was not like the one posted above, however.
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I've never really had any special complaints about my Fluke pen tester thingamajig. I had a Greenlee one once, and it was pretty frustrating. It was not like the one posted above, however.
I have the Fluke also and love it, and also think the Greenlee ones are a pain. I do however miss the old round Fluke that did not beep.

I may have to take a ride to my local Lowes and see if they have the Knipex tools.
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the new fluke detector has a silent mode, shuts itself off, hold up in industrial applications, and is only $25 i think... the old greenlee sucked. it picked up static if you rubbed the thing on your arm fast enough...

anyways, i'll have to check out the local depot to see if they have these tools. i've got 4 within half an hour so sometime within two weeks we'll see.
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Whoops! Forgot the price, this was 15 bucks.
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So I went to Lowes today and got a pair of Knipex Dykes and Alligator pump pliers. They had Insulated Knipex pliers in stock as well as the set of Insulated tools. In the non-insulated items they had dykes, needlenose, pump pliers,and cable cutters, but no Linesman pliers. I asked when they would be in stock they said about another week. You can see all the empty spaces on the rack.

Also I saw new nylon fishtapes from Ideal that were flat like a steel tape, not round.
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Yep, same as my store.

Guess I'll stop by next week.
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I have the Fluke also and love it, and also think the Greenlee ones are a pain. I do however miss the old round Fluke that did not beep.

I may have to take a ride to my local Lowes and see if they have the Knipex tools.
I love the beep. who doesnt like the beep....
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I don't get to Lowe's all that often, but I'm nearly certain the Knipex stuff was not there 3 or 4 weeks ago. They just showed up on the hooks in the last 3-4 weeks, I feel sure.
Marc what is your take on Knipex......Do you find the quality better than klein?
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