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Old 10-08-2009, 10:17 AM   #21
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I just discussed this with the other guy.

I'm referring to the Alligators, not the Cobras, which is what you're referring to.

If this is incorrect, link please.
You are correct The biggest Alligator is 12" and the biggest Cobra is 22". the Cobra stary where you put it which sure helps
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Old 10-08-2009, 04:40 PM   #22
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Old 10-08-2009, 04:47 PM   #23
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HOw on earth can you be afraid of change living in New Orleans...they have had HUGE changes!!
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HOw on earth can you be afraid of change living in New Orleans...they have had HUGE changes!!
Yeah, but I wasn't here before the storm, so I'm ignorant to all that.

Ignorance is bliss.
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Back to the subject at hand, I picked up a set of Knipex 10" Cobras today at a bangin' sale. They have a new version out and now the 10" version expands to 2" at the jaws (1-1/2" officially).
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What store has Knipex on sale??
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the sale mentioned was a one-day one-location thing...sorry.
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Shows what you know.
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Nawlins is the oldest city in the USA...the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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All right, here's more info on the knipex cobra pliers and how different they are from the "knipex-licensed" craftsman cobra pliers. I was curious, since I had talked to a knipex rep yesterday and he had said that the craftsman licensed ones were "knockoffs." Not sure they are knockoffs, since they are imprinted with "made in germany" but they are definitely lower-quality than knipex's standard product both in alloy quality and thickness of castings and weight.

The first photo shows the difference in the thickness of the castings in certain areas; mainly the areas around the pivot pin.

The second photo shows the difference in thickness in the top part of the jaws; it hammers home that I need calipers but also points out that the craftsman ones have much thinner castings.

The third photo points out the much larger jaws (where it counts).

I'm not saying that the craftsman pliers suck, but they are a bit lower in quality than the knipex offering.
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All right, here's more info on the knipex cobra pliers and how different they are from the "knipex-licensed" craftsman cobra pliers. I was curious, since I had talked to a knipex rep yesterday and he had said that the craftsman licensed ones were "knockoffs." Not sure they are knockoffs, since they are imprinted with "made in germany" but they are definitely lower-quality than knipex's standard product both in alloy quality and thickness of castings and weight.

The first photo shows the difference in the thickness of the castings in certain areas; mainly the areas around the pivot pin.

The second photo shows the difference in thickness in the top part of the jaws; it hammers home that I need calipers but also points out that the craftsman ones have much thinner castings.

The third photo points out the much larger jaws (where it counts).

I'm not saying that the craftsman pliers suck, but they are a bit lower in quality than the knipex offering.
I think you are essentially comparing apples to oranges here. The Knipex pictured are the new ones with increased adjustability and larger jaw opening. The Crafstman are the old style of Knipex Cobras. I have two pairs of the old style Knipex Cobras (not Craftsman) and I just bought a pair of the new ones. They appear to have the same differences you note between the Craftsman and Knipex. I think it's just a case of Knipex updating and improving an already quality tool, rather than the Craftsman being a knock-off or inferior tool. But, that's just my opinion, of course.
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I think you are essentially comparing apples to oranges here. The Knipex pictured are the new ones with increased adjustability and larger jaw opening. The Crafstman are the old style of Knipex Cobras. I have two pairs of the old style Knipex Cobras (not Craftsman) and I just bought a pair of the new ones. They appear to have the same differences you note between the Craftsman and Knipex. I think it's just a case of Knipex updating and improving an already quality tool, rather than the Craftsman being a knock-off or inferior tool. But, that's just my opinion, of course.

You're probably right. I was just comparing based on what the rep told me; either way the new pliers from knipex are pretty nice and I'm stoked to have a pair.

As far as I'm concerned, the craftsman pliers are fine but I have damaged the jaws a little bit using them at work. I think probably the castings might be the same but the quality of alloy is probably inferior.
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You're probably right. I was just comparing based on what the rep told me; either way the new pliers from knipex are pretty nice and I'm stoked to have a pair.

As far as I'm concerned, the craftsman pliers are fine but I have damaged the jaws a little bit using them at work. I think probably the castings might be the same but the quality of alloy is probably inferior.
That's okay.

They're craftsman, they're not built to last, they're built to be replaced, for free. That's why they have an unlimited warranty.
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:39 PM   #34
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...My only complaint against Channellock are the few times I've pinched my fingers...
Ah, the signature Channellock pinch. Nothing like knowing that the pinch is always there, just waitin' for ya!

The design of the Knipex jaws just grabs so much better on pretty much anything. I always had the impression that Channellock made the teeth on their jaws a little too soft.

One advantage of the Channellocks is that they are just heavier, and can be better used to hammer with.

The second advantage of Channellocks that I noticed over Knipex 12"/300mm Alligator is that when making up a large pulling head, and opening the Knipex Alligator to squeeze the head closed more, every time I opened them to get another squeeze, they tended to slip to a different adjustment position (not under strain, just opening and closing in a scissor-type action). If this makes sense to anyone... and, it would probably not be an issue with the locking Cobras of Knipex.
The Channellocks can be opened further in their arc without being moved to a different position.

Another advantage that Channellock used to have was the maximum jaw opening dimension. Knipex increased the capacity of both the Alligator and the Cobra, matching that of the Channies, if I am not mistaken.

Channellock is a good pliers-maker, and still US-made, so I am proud to support the company. I also like Knipex, and am certainly not ashamed to use their products daily.

Side note: I have a 12"/300mm locking box-joint plier from Wiha, very similar to Knipex's Cobra, that open further than my 'old-version' Alligator Knipex 12".

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I went to lowes to check them out and was suprised how small the dipped handles were, I am not saying I have gorilla hands, but they seemed small. I think ill be looking at the other style handle.
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I went to Lowe's to check them out and unfortunately they only had 2 items stocked from Knipex; the linemans and some 8" diag. cutters.
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