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Old 07-09-2009, 08:52 PM   #21
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I agree my klein 11 in one is horrible. Today I was installing cameras 20 feet up and sure enough my bit fell out. Anyone hear anything good about the greenlee 9 in one? I just saw them at lowes.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:48 PM   #22
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I'm ordering one of these, I'll let you know how I like it: http://www.wihatools.com/300seri/380bitflip.htm
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I have not had any problems with the Klein products, and find them to be the best on the market. I have not tried the Wiha products, but aren't they imports? I know that Ideal and Greenlee are selling inferior asian knock-offs of Klein. Do you care about that?
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My brother in law has a bunch of these (some look like they came over on the Mayflower) he gave me one a while back and it works very well for low torque stuff.
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I'm ordering one of these, I'll let you know how I like it: http://www.wihatools.com/300seri/380bitflip.htm
That looks too expensive for what it is. How long do you think the holder will keep the bits tightly in place? I have a Craftsman and Klein like that, the Craftsman stores bits in the handle which is a pain when on a ladder or scaffold if you drop one, the Klein has a rubber block holder which is only cool when your using a pouch.
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I have not had any problems with the Klein products, and find them to be the best on the market. I have not tried the Wiha products, but aren't they imports? I know that Ideal and Greenlee are selling inferior asian knock-offs of Klein. Do you care about that?
Electricdude sounds like a covert Klein operative.......first Post is about Klein tools.....HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... Hey dude were just being honest......and for what its worth Ideal has a better t stripper because you can tighten the blades when they start to get loose after a while.... And I am not spending almost 10 bucks on another screwdriver when I know its just going to round off after a month or two of use. I would rather buy a stanley and spend 3 bucks and maybe get the same use out of it. SOo take that back to your corporate office........
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Being as there is said to be strength in numbers, why not have a Klein complaint thread and after it hits 100 posts forward it to the marketing department? I bet it would get a responce, the more posts the better the responce.

I know I have a few Klein screwdrivers with the tips snapped right off at the end not to mention a pile of #2 phillips that are not worn out but missing pieces that snapped out.

And the handles on the nutdrivers are just not man sized, they are too small for getting a power turn.
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I also have gone through too many Klein screwdrivers, I have snapped the tips of flatblades, #2 phillips, and had a junk drawer full of 10-in-1 handles with missing tips. I glad to see other have the same problems, I thought it was just me. I went to Kobalt for a lot of my tools and never had any problems. I use the Irwin 9-in-1 and havent lost a bit yet.
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I have not had any problems with the Klein products, and find them to be the best on the market. I have not tried the Wiha products, but aren't they imports? I know that Ideal and Greenlee are selling inferior asian knock-offs of Klein. Do you care about that?

The Wiha's are German, I'm cool with that. If Klein made a better product out of it's 10 or 11 in 1 I'd be even cooler with that. But I'm tired of buying a crap product, the flat blade on this new 11 in 1 already bent. This is the 3rd driver to break so no more for me. I'll buy USA made when the quality is there, even if it cost a few bucks more.



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That looks too expensive for what it is. How long do you think the holder will keep the bits tightly in place? I have a Craftsman and Klein like that, the Craftsman stores bits in the handle which is a pain when on a ladder or scaffold if you drop one, the Klein has a rubber block holder which is only cool when your using a pouch.
It's only expensive on Wiha's website, I found the insulated driver elsewhere for $20.

I'm not sure how it will hold up, but the description says that there is one of the rare earth magnets holding the bits in, so it may be alright. There's only one way to find out and that's to test it out. It doesn't look any more inconvenient to change bits than the 10 or 11 in one is. Either way you've go to remove one to put in the other.
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Being as there is said to be strength in numbers, why not have a Klein complaint thread and after it hits 100 posts forward it to the marketing department? I bet it would get a responce, the more posts the better the responce.

I know I have a few Klein screwdrivers with the tips snapped right off at the end not to mention a pile of #2 phillips that are not worn out but missing pieces that snapped out.

And the handles on the nutdrivers are just not man sized, they are too small for getting a power turn.
I would save my old screwdrivers in an old shoe box with the idea that I could pass them along to helpers and what not. And I would keep one in the truck as a "beater/chisle". But now that box has litterally about 18 drivers in it. I dont care anymore. I used to laugh at guys that had craftsman, stanley tools in their pouch, now i see that the laugh is on me. I work to hard to keep shelling out 10 bucks for a crappy product "dubbed" as the electricians tools. IMO klein is taking us to the cleaners. I bet they held back on the amount of stainless in their tools and added more of an inferior/softer steel like carbon steel. And god forbid their small T-strippers last for more than a few months. I keep asking my supply house to stock more ideal and greenlee tools. But they keep staying with klein. About the only klein tool that I still like is my electricians hammer. SO for now they can dress up the same ole crap all they want, and call it what ever they want (I personally cant stand the journeman series, paid through the nose for two sets of dykes and same ole tool in a different coat) Im switching to Ideal.
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I have not had any problems with the Klein products, and find them to be the best on the market. I have not tried the Wiha products, but aren't they imports? I know that Ideal and Greenlee are selling inferior asian knock-offs of Klein. Do you care about that?
I care that the Klein drivers appear to be the same as the Greenlee drivers, and Klein's quality for their screwdrivers does not exist. 2 warranty exchanges, 2 weeks later the square tip is now round. If they cannot make a tip harder than some chinese EMT screw, then I will switch to German. I bought 2 Wera drivers today, will check 'em out on Monday, and the Kleins will be put away, so they do not break or round off anymore...
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:21 PM   #33
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I Call on all EC's of the world to boycott Klein Tools untill they get their s h i t together and stop giving us cheap tools. They know excatly what they are doing. Why would they want to build a better driver or tip? then we wouldnt keep buying them because we feel like we need to be loyal. that. I have absolutly no problem paying more for a tool built in the US just make sure it can last more than a month of normal use....!
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:22 PM   #34
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I've had the same 10 n 1 for over a year. The one before that for over a year. I use it everyday. Almost the only screwdriver I use. I think it's the most used tool I own. If I need to pry or beat I take out a different screwdriver which is also a klein that I've used for at least two years and just lost today. If I have to buy a new one every year, so be it. It's still the best screwdriver. I've had the same klein strippers for about five years with no problems. Not once have they loosened up. I've had the same Klein linemans for almost ten years and I used to rough in houses using them as a hammer. I have had a problem with nut drivers. I think Klein makes excellent tools and I'll continue to buy them.
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That looks too expensive for what it is. How long do you think the holder will keep the bits tightly in place? I have a Craftsman and Klein like that, the Craftsman stores bits in the handle which is a pain when on a ladder or scaffold if you drop one, the Klein has a rubber block holder which is only cool when your using a pouch.
i used to have a craftsman that was the same idea as that klein. the rubber was red and the screwdriver was different
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The biggest problem I have with Klein is that they now make an inferior product, and they still charge a premium for them. If I buy a cheap tool, then I expect it not to last. But Klein is now only selling a name. Sounds like some other American manufacturing companies that are now getting bailed out.
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I swear i have some old stanley tools from about 30 years ago that are in better shape than some of my month old tools. WHY..? I have one stanley screwdriver that I used to scrape up old floor tiles in my basement with that has held up better than my kleins drivers. I have absolutly nothing against Klein tools. I have been a fan ever since I got into the trade but you cant tell me that they hold up well anymore.
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while i have not had a bad experience with Klein's cutting tools or pliers, I also haven't used them as much. We will see if I have to switch to Knipex or not...
I truly wish that Klein's tools were as good as what I hear they used to be....
I try to buy made in US as much as possible, but I am done buying disposable tools. I want something that will last, and Klein's screwdrivers, at least, have failed me...I have only been doing this for two years, but I am building my tools, and I don't want to have buy things twice...
tools are expensive enough, especially Klein's
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The Wiha Magnetic tip drivers are pretty good. I own an Insulated one with the tips under the cap. The magnet is very strong. I believe it has stronger hold than the ball and spring in a 10-in 1.

I also have a Lenox 6 in 1, but haven't used it much yet, so I can't speak to its quality.

I own a few Klein tools.

The Journeyman Lineman pliers seem to be well-made, except that the grips pulled off. I epoxyed them back on with two-part gel a while back and they are still holding good. I have a Knipex Insulated lineman pliers, and the steel may be just a bit harder on the Knipex than the Klein, but I've beat on the Kleins pretty good so far over a year or 2 and they are still in real good condition. I'd give Klein a 7 or 8 out of 10. It would be a 9 or 10, except for the grips. On a J20009NETP with the tape pulling slot (and a $35 plier) the grips should be attached more securely. Knipex gets a 9.5 .

My Klein strippers and the crimper/cutters from Klein are holding up well.

My Klein 63750 ratchet cutters are extremely well made (in Germany).

One knock that I have is the screwdriver tip on the conduit reamer/EMT fitting screwdriver. That tip is so soft, it rounded offon the first few uses. The reamer blade is doing well.

The tips on the 10-in 1 have a tendency to stick in the screw and pull out of the shaft, but the tips seem to wear well. I am careful when using the shaft as a nutdriver, because that sucker is not hardened and will round out in no time.
Overall, the 10-in 1 works well for me, and has a place in my tool bag. I do not own any other Klein screwdrivers or nutdrivers, they are all Wiha.

Note about Wiha: I did have one of my Wiha screwdrivers tip twist on me. It was a 4mm (1/8") terminal block/cabinet tip driver that twisted in use, with no abuse or misuse. I sent it back to Wiha's main dist. center in MN, and was sent a new one with no questions asked. I have a full set of their extra H.D. screwdrivers and their Insulated drivers that have held up extremely well through 5 years (Industrial maintenance/electrical, Commercial food processing maintenance, year 1 of apprenticeship).

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stop being lazy and buy tools. Nothing beats the right tools for the right job. no sticky tools and no tools not fitting hardware. I work with a bunch of guys that use them and they are always fumbling around with them. I use a 7" #2 phillips, 7" 1\4in. flat head, and a 4" robertson. I don't think i have ever needed to have all 10 functions in my hand at one time.
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