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Old 08-16-2019, 01:47 PM   #181
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The long ones are the shipbuilder's bits, they were used to bore holes in the timbers used in old time ships. I think they were also used to drill the holes for the pin to secure the mortise and tenon joints in any timber frame construction, but nobody calls them barnbuilder's bits.

Naileaters were / are a Greenlee product made with a hard edge, I think tungsten carbide, that could shear off nails without ruining the bit. Even now, if you have to drill where there are nails, this is what you want. If you have to bore a lot of holes at the top or bottom of the wall where there's a lot of nails, you'll never get there with Daredevil bits.
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The long ones are the shipbuilder's bits, they were used to bore holes in the timbers used in old time ships. I think they were also used to drill the holes for the pin to secure the mortise and tenon joints in any timber frame construction, but nobody calls them barnbuilder's bits.

Naileaters were / are a Greenlee product made with a hard edge, I think tungsten carbide, that could shear off nails without ruining the bit. Even now, if you have to drill where there are nails, this is what you want. If you have to bore a lot of holes at the top or bottom of the wall where there's a lot of nails, you'll never get there with Daredevil bits.
Did you ever sell any of your grandpa's tools?
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Did you ever sell any of your grandpa's tools?
If someone wants my grandfather's tools,
they might as well plan on stealing them because I am not selling them,
and they'd better steal his gun before they try stealing those tools.
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You sold grandpa's drill?
I'd sell anything for the right price.
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I never use spade bits in a drill. I figure if I’m using a drill why not just use an auger bit?

The newest generation M 18 drill has a lot of power so that’s enough for me for augers and self feed bits. I doubt I’ll ever get a hole hawg
I use spades because they are cheap and disposable.

I rarely do new work anymore but I always use an auger for that. I've been using a Hole Hawg since the beginning and there's simply nothing better for drilling out large quantities of holes. I say that even though I love all the new brushless tools and own a bunch of them.

Now, there is a scenario where an impact would really shine, and that's drilling through multiple 2x4's that's common in new construction. I can see that large impact you pictured earlier with an auger bit being perfect for that.
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I use spades because they are cheap and disposable.
Me too. I wait for sales on bulk quantities. I found normal Irwins in 5/8" and 1/4" for like 50 cents each on eBay, I got 100 of each I believe. I have bought 40 packs of Daredevil 11/16" for less than $2 each on Amazon.

But I use these all in my impact. I figure if I go to get the drill I will just put a naileater in it.


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Now, there is a scenario where an impact would really shine, and that's drilling through multiple 2x4's that's common in new construction. I can see that large impact you pictured earlier with an auger bit being perfect for that.
If the hole hawg is better at drilling thru 1, why wouldn't it be better at drilling thru 4?
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That just sounds like a bad proposition.

I'd never sell stuff in the family that long.
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I have the m28 and it's nice to have.
A little slow but is good at negotiating tight areas.

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I had an old corded Milwaukee right angle drill like that that has gotten me out of a lot of jams earlier in my career. But then I realized that the little M 12 impact gun with a stubby daredevil bit fits even easier. And without the risk of removing your teeth LOL. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.electriciantalk.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png[/IMG]
Milwaukee right angle drills aren't even powerful. You should try my rigid hole hawg on low speed some time.
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Milwaukee right angle drills aren't even powerful. You should try my rigid hole hawg on low speed some time.

I have two of them.

One you can stall and hold the other will flip you around if you keep holding the trigger when it's bound.
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That just sounds like a bad proposition.

I'd never sell stuff in the family that long.
He got it from someone who owed him money, my grandfather was a bookmaker
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He had a lot in common with my Grandmom....
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If the hole hawg is better at drilling thru 1, why wouldn't it be better at drilling thru 4?
On low speed it would be better, but the chance of a bind up and rapid kick back injury go way up when drilling through that many studs with a Hole Hawg. That problem disappears with an impact.
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On low speed it would be better, but the chance of a bind up and rapid kick back injury go way up when drilling through that many studs with a Hole Hawg. That problem disappears with an impact.
The new super hawgs have the thing you really need - a clutch.
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Milwaukee has a new impact gun out:

This is the newer type of hydraulic impact gun. People like them because they are quieter, but I don't care about that. One other selling point is "longer sustained torque", but I don't know what that means in real world usage.

My main concern is drilling. I use my M12 Fuel impact (the original Fuel model, now 2 generators old) to drill with Bosch Daredevil spade bits. Any impact will work to drive screws, but I want to make sure that it will work well while drilling.

So how will this newer hydraulic Surge impact work with drilling?

Huuuh ! It will be powerful !
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So I had the chance to use it with some daredevil spade bits, both large and small. It worked very well, I’d say better than the normal impact.

One odd thing that I noticed is that when driving a screw it seems to click instead of hammer. It literally makes a clicking sound. I guess that’s part of it being quieter?
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So I had the chance to use it with some daredevil spade bits, both large and small. It worked very well, I’d say better than the normal impact.

One odd thing that I noticed is that when driving a screw it seems to click instead of hammer. It literally makes a clicking sound. I guess that’s part of it being quieter?

I see.
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