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Old 09-06-2009, 10:46 PM   #41
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So all in all, which would be a better choice for troubleshooting in an industrial setting a solenoid tester or a vol-con or both?
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:13 AM   #42
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So all in all, which would be a better choice for troubleshooting in an industrial setting a solenoid tester or a vol-con or both?
I HATE THE VOLT-CON and would not use it for a door stop.
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I HATE THE VOLT-CON and would not use it for a door stop.
EXACTLY why ??????
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EXACTLY why ??????
Because it would make a terrible door stop. I wouldn't use a Vol-Con for a door stop either.
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I HATE THE VOLT-CON and would not use it for a door stop.
What don't you like about the Vol Con? I like the Vol Con above my Klein/Square D Wiggy because it has a continuity tester in it.
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What don't you like about the Vol Con?
It's yellow. That's an awful color for a solenoid tester.
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It's yellow. That's an awful color for a solenoid tester.
It's ok for a DMM tho, right? I sure hope so or else I threw out a LOT of money.
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It's ok for a DMM tho, right? I sure hope so or else I threw out a LOT of money.
Yes, yellow is the preferred color for a DMM.
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get a knopp k60 best solenoid tester on the market
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What do you like about it better than the Vol Con or the Klein Wiggy?
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What do you like about it better than the Vol Con or the Klein Wiggy?
the k60 is cat 3 rated the vol con and wiggy isnt
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What do you like about it better than the Vol Con or the Klein Wiggy?
Comparison.

http://www.knoppinc.com/voltage_tester_comparison.htm
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It doesn't use batteries like the Klein Wiggy, but that's a negative since it won't do continuity testing like the Vol Con.

So the only benefit is that it's Cat 3 rated.
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It doesn't use batteries like the Klein Wiggy, but that's a negative since it won't do continuity testing like the Vol Con.

So the only benefit is that it's Cat 3 rated.
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the k60 is cat 3 rated the vol con and wiggy isnt
The Vol Con is Cat III-1000V rated.
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I want my solenoid tester to be a voltage tester ONLY, I do not want continuity on a voltage tester.
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I want my solenoid tester to be a voltage tester ONLY, I do not want continuity on a voltage tester.
Then stick with the real "Wiggy", it's a one trick pony.
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The T5 is a great tool, BUT it still can't do a few tests that the wiggy (or traditional solenoid tester) can do.

A ghost voltage can occur when several wires are ran together for a distance. If a live wire is ran together with a dead wire in a conduit run, that dead wire will pick up voltage from the live wire. Those wires ran together act like a big capacitor, and the voltage couples into the dead wire. If you put a Fluke T5, or any DMM, on that dead wire, you will read voltage. That is because DMM's , and the T5, have a very high input impedance, and draw almost no current from the voltage they are measuring. Since you draw no current, you read that coupled (ghost) voltage on the "dead" wire. The solenoid tester has a input impedance of around 10,000 ohms, so it will draw about 12 milliamps off the voltage it is measuring. It puts a good "load" on the circuit. Since that ghost voltage has no ability to supply the current the solenoid tester needs, you will not measure that ghost voltage. That is why a solenoid tester is a good tool to determine live circuits, and is still used by so many people.

The many references to construction is because you have ghost voltages all over the place. When you are pulling new wire, and looking for live wires, there are good chances there are a few dead ones in the group. I want to know for sure which are live, and which are not, and the T5 will not do that for me. Some DMM's like the Fluke 117 have a low Z setting to eliminate ghost voltages, and those can be used. But, it easier to use the wiggy.

Another advantage of a wiggy is testing GFCI outlets. Since they draw about 12 mA, they will trip a good GFCI outlet if you measure between hot and ground. If the outlet does not trip with a wiggy, it is defective.

So, solenoid testers DO have their place in construction. It not about how much money you spent, or how big your tool is.
The manual states that the input impedance of a Ideal Vol Con is 1M.

The input impedance of the T+ and T+PRO is 20K at low voltages and goes up to about 240K when 600 volts is applied, so says Fluke.

Is that 1M for the Vol Con a bit too high or not to eliminate ghost voltages? Ideal's description is that it has a low impedance to eliminate ghost voltages. That's much lower that a typical DMM but I've never used one.
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I want my solenoid tester to be a voltage tester ONLY, I do not want continuity on a voltage tester.
How do you tighten lock nuts or remove knock-outs? Just curious.
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How do you tighten lock nuts or remove knock-outs? Just curious.

He uses this.
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