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Old 06-25-2009, 12:17 AM   #21
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Did you look over post#7??? I have 4 of them and have their own uses. If you are that unfamiliar with stray voltage, than just stick to your "wiggy".
Yes I did read post 7. No, I'm not unfamiliar with stray voltage. And yes I will stick to my wiggy.
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Old 06-25-2009, 12:22 AM   #22
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I keep it clipped in my shirt pocket. It's handy all over the construction site. Easy to check extension cords, temp power. When he pipe fitter says "my threader stopped" I can find the fault quickly without going back to my tool box.
That's reasonable. I'll buy that. I guess I just see them get used too much for the wrong purpose. And as someone already stated, that has to do more with the person and not the tool. I guess I need to be more open minded, which is the main reason I started this thread.
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Who likes them and who doesn't?

I hate em. I call them LIAR sticks.
I've seen numerous occasions where guys can't figure something out while troubleshooting. I'll ask them what they tested it with. After they hold up the tick tracer with a frown on their face and tail between their legs I walk over with my wiggy(Knopp) and bring out the truth. I gave my last one away on the spot the last time it LIED to me.
We work alot around control cabinets & equipment with various voltages(ac & dc) and electronics and such. They are not to be trusted in these conditions. A lot of equipment you can't even use a digital meter to test/troubleshoot.
I've read hot on a ground wire in a cabinet full of 480v conductors that passed through. I metered the ground at around 20v. I guess it's good because it told me it was hot? But it proves it's not good for troubleshooting/testing.
I've also had it lie to me in a 3 wire Romex. One circuit was off, one circuit was on. It read hot on the circuit that was turned off. By the time you get confused and pull out a wiggy, you should have just done that in the first place!
I work in a industrial environment and I never use one. I use a wiggy, simpson 260, fluke t1000, Fluke 787.

At home I do.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:52 AM   #24
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I work in a industrial environment and I never use one. I use a wiggy, simpson 260, fluke t1000, Fluke 787.

At home I do.

You carry a wiggy, a 260, and a T5-1000? What's the point of your T5 then, control circuits?
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Ticks or "Crickets" as they get called around here. Are great for finding those burned out mini lights @ Christmas.. Of course we have all moved to leds.
They are a quick and easy to carry tool to promote safety as well as know when someone pulled your extension cord out. Grrrrr. But would not be without my vol-con.
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You carry a wiggy, a 260, and a T5-1000? What's the point of your T5 then, control circuits?
Wiggy i use for 120 v PLC AC outputs.

260 i use to take resistance readings between windings on motors.

Fluke 787 i use to drive a 4 to 20 ma signal.

T5-1000 I use it on control circuits, take quick amp readings, fuses, continuity.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:49 PM   #27
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Wiggy i use for 120 v PLC AC outputs.

260 i use to take resistance readings between windings on motors.

Fluke 787 i use to drive a 4 to 20 ma signal.

T5-1000 I use it on control circuits, take quick amp readings, fuses, continuity.
Nice setup. Except for the lack of a megger
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:35 PM   #28
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I use my Fluke tic tester as the first line of defense to not get zapped. The T5 is next in line.
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the non-contact voltage testers vary in their usefullness, I like the greenlee ones cause they seem to have less false positives. But as with any other tool, live-dead-live is the only way to know its working. I have a couple flukes with the auto shut off feature and I have almost bought it more than once for not paying attention . . . so , as you said , its the user, not necessarily the tool. I've saved a lot of time using the little bastards in packed boxes and not having to check all the wires with a real tester .
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the non-contact voltage testers vary in their usefullness, I like the greenlee ones cause they seem to have less false positives. But as with any other tool, live-dead-live is the only way to know its working. I have a couple flukes with the auto shut off feature and I have almost bought it more than once for not paying attention . . . so , as you said , its the user, not necessarily the tool. I've saved a lot of time using the little bastards in packed boxes and not having to check all the wires with a real tester .
You have to explain the auto-off issue. It shuts off, screen goes blank, what's the issue??
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I use my Fluke tic tester as the first line of defense to not get zapped. The T5 is next in line.
So do you test it with the tic and then start working on the circuit? Or do you test it with the tic, then the T5, then start work?
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the non-contact voltage testers vary in their usefullness, I like the greenlee ones cause they seem to have less false positives. But as with any other tool, live-dead-live is the only way to know its working. I have a couple flukes with the auto shut off feature and I have almost bought it more than once for not paying attention . . . so , as you said , its the user, not necessarily the tool. I've saved a lot of time using the little bastards in packed boxes and not having to check all the wires with a real tester .
It seems like a packed box is a good recipe for false positives also?
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It seems like a packed box is a good recipe for false positives also?
only if something is on. if its all off, usually you dont get any induced voltage.
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So do you test it with the tic and then start working on the circuit? Or do you test it with the tic, then the T5, then start work?

He said live-dead-live. Look, I am backing you all the way with the safety issue, 100%. These volt sticks can be tested simply by striking them in your hand, the capacitance of your own body will cause them to light. If your purpose of this arguement is strickly pushing higher safety, then I get it. If you're saying ALL sticks are JUNK and are worthless, then I beg to differ. As said earlier, it's mainly a debate of the user, not so much the tester. These things are intended to be used as a reference. You initially spoke of one using it in a control panel. There again, it's depends on how it's used, and it's really sometimes too sensitive for cabinet work. I'm sorry, it is how it is. You got a false reading, and you got it in an area where alot of us could of forewarned you you'd get it in the first place. Bottom line, wrong application.
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live-dead-live applies to any tester. If you don't check the tester, you will regret it whatever it is you are using.
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live-dead-live applies to any tester. If you don't check the tester, you will regret it whatever it is you are using.

If you're around TO regret it. Good post wildleg.
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Work around 13.8KV The ticker will go off anywhere
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they are great for k&t.
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I use a red Santronics or the Santronics Ultimate AC Sensor. I prefer the Santronics because they DO NOT have a ON/OFF SWITCH and the Ultimate has a tone feature. The tone will not sound for static but the light may light. Also they are made in the USA.
To test 125VDC I use a Ideal neon test light that is rated for 600 volts.
You really cannot do any serious troubleshooting with eather however for determining live or dead both do a fine job.You must remember each has limitations.
Take Dirty Harrys advice and know its limitations.
Where I work we are not allowed to use Wiggies of any type. No one seems to know why they are just not allowed.
When I worked in Freeport Texas you could use a Ideal Wiggie or a Ideal Volt-Con only with resistor leads.
Got a friend that works for a chemical company and he is not allowed to use a Fluke meter for anything other than to check resistance and on low voltage AC & DC. They check voltage they use a Tegam Volt meter ( which is nothing more than a digital Wiggie ) or a Ideal Wiggie.
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The only tick i trust is Flukes. I've had two greenlees and they are not near as nice as the flukes. The VD-1 i have is about as big as my thumb and the light on it is so nicely receptive to inductance...It dims exactly proportional to the distance you get away from the circuit and when you get close enough to the source of what it's picking up, the light turns red. Pretty slick.
But i only use them for finding out what they are supposed to tell me. I.E. extension cords, plugs, light sockets...etc....whatever.

i dont have a wiggy....i should get that fluke wiggy i saw....pretty nice.
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