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Old 06-22-2009, 04:02 PM   #21
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yes.. installing plate screws is very labor intensive. Those 6/32 x 1/4 inch are a real back breaker and need a special tool
It's just plain dumb to use a regular flat blade screwdriver to put plates on. At least use one of those piece of chit "yankees". But these "whirlybirds" or "offset screwdrivers are the best. I keep one in my toolbelt. And I use the phillips one as well.

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Old 06-22-2009, 04:08 PM   #22
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So, save your six bucks and don't buy one. I like mine.
I agree with you on this one!
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Are union workers banned from using cordless screwdrivers to install switches and outlets??
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Any workers for that matter? I have a screwdriver with planetary gears that weighs a little less than my small cordless driver. Let the battery do the work far as I'm concerned.
Plates generally have flat head screws, which can be a pain in the butt to try to run in with a cordless drill. Plus, with a drill, it's hard to tell when the screw is getting tight. Good way to crack plates. With an offset, you can feel when the screw is tight enough. I don't use them to put wood screws in or run lags, but as MechDVR said, if it doesn't require a lot of torque, then I use them.
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im able to twist the screwdriver shaft between my thumb and finger to make it turn faster so i dont have to buy one of those stupid looking screwdrivers
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im able to twist the screwdriver shaft between my thumb and finger to make it turn faster so i dont have to buy one of those stupid looking screwdrivers
And I suppose you use a cordless drill for the device screws?
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GD you're an F ing moron if you use a regular flat blade screwdriver to put plates on. At least use one of those piece of chit "yankees". But these "whirlybirds" or "offset screwdrivers are the best. I keep one in my toolbelt. And I use the phillips one as well.

Yep.. guess I'm a Fing moron because I never needed to buy a bent screwdriver.

I use my fingertips on the square shaft of a Craftsman screwdriver and that is fast enough, I thought till I read the posts

BUT.. since you and other members give it such high marks, I am going to buy one and check it out.

I am on this forum to learn new ideas from other electricians
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And I suppose you use a cordless drill for the device screws?
nope and i dont let anybody use a cordless drill for those screws.

every time somebody uses a drill to trim out a house the receptacles are set to far back or they keep breaking them. i got one helper that uses an impact gun to tighten up device screws. i never use drills to trim out just a screwdriver. my wrists dont hurt at the end of the day either
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GD you're an F ing moron if you use a regular flat blade screwdriver to put plates on. At least use one of those piece of chit "yankees". But these "whirlybirds" or "offset screwdrivers are the best. I keep one in my toolbelt. And I use the phillips one as well.
i must be an fing moron too...take my license away before i use a straight blade screwdriver at your house.

im not girly enough to use a whirly bird screwdriver i guess

i see no good use to those screwdrivers. just another tool to spend money on. if somebody is worried about 1 second vs 1.5 seconds using a regular screwdriver then they must not of bid the job right or something

if somebody gave me one of those screwdrivers i would give it back and tell them never to speak to me again until they man up and buy a real screwdriver
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I use a Bosch PS10(I think) for most driving not real fast so you can take care of your screws. I have a set of nutdrivers I use with it but I will have to say my dad can do as well or maybe just a bit better with his 40 year old Yankee. I don't do very much work with small device screws so I can really say about that.
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im going to put a bit in my magnum drill and use that to put devices in. maybe ill get it done a half second faster than the fancy screwdriver
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Are union workers banned from using cordless screwdrivers to install switches and outlets??
Nope.
Some EC's have one for each man on the job.
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im going to put a bit in my magnum drill and use that to put devices in. maybe ill get it done a half second faster than the fancy screwdriver
If you use a regular screwdriver for screwing in the devices then you are wasting a lot of time. A lot more than a half second per screw.
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If you use a regular screwdriver for screwing in the devices then you are wasting a lot of time. A lot more than a half second per screw.

did you ever break a plate using one of those fancy screwdrivers? i never broken a plate using a regular one. im not worried about how much time you save installing plates. if a job gets bid so tight that using a regular screwdriver will cause lost money then something isnt right. use what you want but you will never see me using one of those stupid screwdrivers.
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did you ever break a plate using one of those fancy screwdrivers?


Either way....I don't care..P&S has an "indestructible" plate

I'll stick with my cordless and 10-in-1
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Either way....I don't care..P&S has an "indestructible" plate

I'll stick with my cordless and 10-in-1
ill stick with my straight blade cabinet screwdriver and #2 philips. my boss doesnt buy those rubber plates he buys the cheap leviton plates. surprised we dont have plates from china yet
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did you ever break a plate using one of those fancy screwdrivers? i never broken a plate using a regular one. im not worried about how much time you save installing plates. if a job gets bid so tight that using a regular screwdriver will cause lost money then something isnt right. use what you want but you will never see me using one of those stupid screwdrivers.
No it's hard to break the nice metal maxi plates. And earlier you said you use a flatblade for screwing in the device. That is where you will take twice as long and that's probably being considerate.
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No it's hard to break the nice metal maxi plates. And earlier you said you use a flatblade for screwing in the device. That is where you will take twice as long and that's probably being considerate.
im not worried about it that much.

i hope the new england patriots beat the steelers this year
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yes.. installing plate screws is very labor intensive. Those 6/32 x 1/4 inch are a real back breaker and need a special tool
Profit is measured in seconds.
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im not worried about it that much.

i hope the new england patriots beat the steelers this year
me too. I'm kinda tired of the steelers winning. They need a break from it.
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Profit is measured in seconds.

I spent an hour today trying to sell a service change..( he will let me know after talking to his wife) that was 3600 seconds.. how many plate screws it that??

I think it is really dumb to think your losing money putting plate screws on with a regular screwdriver.
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