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Old 12-17-2018, 07:14 PM   #1
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With my recent struggles with my suppliers, I’ve decided to use eBay whenever possible, this is 2, NEMA 1 and 1, NEMA 2 1/2 size combos.
These are NOS and NIB also.
A little shelf worn and 15 years old, but new nonetheless.
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When you get parts like that how do you warranty the stuff?
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I suppose you are rolling the dice so to speak. They are brand new in the box so I’m not too worried, although they are the old gray color, the new black parts will fit. For about $1500.00 shipping in for all three, it’s worth the risk.
The new ones I got from my supplier a few weeks ago were almost that much each and were still assembled wrong with the door hinges bent. I think the build quality in Batavia was measurably better.
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I've been buying used AB 509 starters lately from a surplus reseller. They throw new contacts in them, test 'em, and send them out the door.

I've been using these used Nema starters where new isn't in the budget, used Nema in my opinion is better than new IEC or DP starters.

These AB's last forever....

Sometimes I forgot about Ebay too, I would have zero problem doing what you're doing.

Of course, we still warranty them all the same. Used or new. The customer just saves a little money in the process and gets a better value.
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My personal preference would be AB first due to parts ease and CH, because of well, reasons I suppose.
Siemens is getting my respect lately, but their enclosures are a bit lackluster. The Furnas labeled items that are gray are Siemens in disguise and largely go unnoticed and fairly cheap. The old green Furnas was decent also but I think Siemens has abandoned parts so beware.
The bid competition had best not increase from you guys on future Furnas stuff, it’ll be our secret.
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This is my latest buy, a size 2 Citation series. It came with a 240 volt coil like I need and it has the right range overload heaters in it, I just have to turn them around.
It’s used with only one KO out. The contacts are in great shape also. A solid score for $225.00 shipping included.
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This is my latest buy, a size 2 Citation series. It came with a 240 volt coil like I need and it has the right range overload heaters in it, I just have to turn them around.
Its used with only one KO out. The contacts are in great shape also. A solid score for $225.00 shipping included.

Those old brown CH starters are tough old goats.


I just set two of those same type, but size 4's out for a customer that he can have. We pulled them out of some old dairy pump panels. Still in pretty good shape. Hard to throw away when you know somebody can use them, or cannibalize them.



I told him he can have them for free, but no warranty. He was good with that.
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Those old brown CH starters are tough old goats.


I just set two of those same type, but size 4's out for a customer that he can have. We pulled them out of some old dairy pump panels. Still in pretty good shape. Hard to throw away when you know somebody can use them, or cannibalize them.



I told him he can have them for free, but no warranty. He was good with that.
Not only are they tough, but I think they might be the easiest to field strip for repair, a straight blade screwdriver and 5 minutes and its apart. I like AB, but CH is tops to me. Unfortunately I think Eaton is trying their best to abandon the Citation line, the Three Stars are long since abandoned.
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I have bought a lot of used test equipment off eBay.


Some fools want more for a used, like new that the manufacturer sells a new for.
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Some fools want more for a used, like new that the manufacturer sells a new for.
That has been my experience with eBay more often than not!
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This is my latest buy, a size 2 Citation series. It came with a 240 volt coil like I need and it has the right range overload heaters in it, I just have to turn them around.
It’s used with only one KO out. The contacts are in great shape also. A solid score for $225.00 shipping included.



The C-H Citation starters were my favorites, too bad they were discontinued.

Have a couple C-H size 4 contactors that came off a chiller that were branded Chrysler Air Temp.

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Latest buy, $299.00 and $30.00 shipping. NOS! She’s been banged around some, but never had a wire landed and probably never had the coil energized since the factory test.
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I usually get my starters, large discos, buss plugs and panel boards used from a local electrical equipment salvage outfit. Stuff Is dirt cheap there.
Earlier this year I had to add a 3ph sub to a manufacturing facility. It was all small loads, so I was going to use a stab in panel to save the customer a few bucks. I instead got him a used Siemens BL 42 ckt panel full of 20s for $230. SH gets every bit of that for a 42 ckt stab in panel empty.
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Yep, except I pick my stuff up at their shop in North Hampton. He has an eBay store with most of what he has in stock listed if you want to see what is in stock without calling.
I pick up used breakers occasionally there and the Lectric Connection in Amesbury.
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Yep, except I pick my stuff up at their shop in North Hampton. He has an eBay store with most of what he has in stock listed if you want to see what is in stock without calling.
I pick up used breakers occasionally there and the Lectric Connection in Amesbury.
Yep, I've seen Electric Barn on eBay and have ordered some stuff from them, it's always met my expectations.
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Electric Barn is good people. I’ve been there a couple of times. Even open Saturday mornings.
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Not Ebay but there is the motor control center in Pittsburgh and Southland Electric in Burlington NC. CBS does switchgear breakers and American Electric in Beckley specializes in almost anything medium voltage. Galco is so-so. Quality is ok but their pricing is crazy high. Also for PLC parts there is PLC Cables.

The thing about EBau is they charge about 20% to the vendor. So if you can find these places outside of Ebay it gets much cheaper.

As a motor repair shop we are right in there with these used companies. We have a huge warehouse of inventory used motors. We have a guy in the office too that has lists of what everybody else has and they swap information regularly.

I end up on eBay or the surplus market for two reasons. First is because ES&S is the local AB distributor in the Raleigh area. I just can’t say enough bad things about them. They basically don’t want to sell anything, no product support, etc. it’s not just me. My customers often come to us just to avoid dealing with ES&S, even if they pay more. So I have to buy everything either from another distributor if possible while dealing with ABs sales territory crap or get it off a surplus dealer.

Second reason is when repairing old stuff surplus is the main parts source. There are a few remanufacturers for some things like coils and when for instance you just need say a control power transformer new is just as good. But when you have to have a specific part that fits in a specific spot, surplus is often the only option.

I’d suggest not using surplus equipment if you can the customer to want new for four reasons. First is if the job is not a bid job 15% margin on a $1000 starter is $150 but only $45 on a $300 used one. If you can quote $1150 then buy it for $300 though I’m good with that. Or if the customer pushes for cheap and it’s the difference between making $75 and $0, the $75 is worth it. Second is obviously support, risk, etc., except that obviously with some things like starters that doesn’t matter. This is especially true if something goes wrong and you eat a warranty job. Some parts like electrolytic capacitors just don’t age well but in say a disconnect worst you need to do is regrease it. Third is most of the time there is less risk. Current model C-H starters are a good example of old is better than new but most of the time it’s the other way around. Fourth is image. If the customer knows and accepts it that’s one thing. But if they are buying new and the plastic is all yellowed and it generally looks 30 years old, even if it is just warehouse worn, it affects your image.



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We have bought a pile of new old stock square d nema motor starters of eBay. It's a great resource as long as you're careful about what you're buying. Who really cares about manufacturer's warranty on motor starters and disconnects, anyway?
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Almost like new!
Will go quickly. Put your bid in now.

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