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Old 07-01-2019, 01:24 PM   #41
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:24 PM   #42
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Problem is they are not cheap by any means. I know, I started one, never finished... I would like to go back but I have crippled myself financially.

The local community college here has a mechanotronics associates degree that costs $8,000 over two years. I know because my one nephew is a good candidate with limited means. I think this will be enough to get him hired by someone like Johnson Controls, organized in, and making a LOT of money by the age of 25.
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The local community college here has a mechanotronics associates degree that costs $8,000 over two years. I know because my one nephew is a good candidate with limited means. I think this will be enough to get him hired by someone like Johnson Controls, organized in, and making a LOT of money by the age of 25.
It certainly won't hurt but for 8,000 that sounds like nothing more than book work. The program that I started was an associates degree (A.A.S) and cost around 50k til all is said and done. However, they have hands on trainers that complement the book work so when you get in the field you know what you are actually looking at and know what to do.

Luckily for me, Penn State also offers a BS in Mechatronics, they were the first in the country to do so. But, once again, it is not cheap at all.

I am all for any education you can get, knowledge is the only thing that no one will ever be able to take away from you.
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When have I ever listened to you? All you do is wait for your chance to come in a belittle others.
That's the problem, if you had listened to me all these years you wouldn't be in this predicament.

You see it as me "belittling" you. I see it as tough love. You are a ***** who whines too much and blames everyone else for your problems. You need to take charge of your life and make your own way.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:36 PM   #45
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That's the problem, if you had listened to me all these years you wouldn't be in this predicament.

You see it as me "belittling" you. I see it as tough love. You are a ***** who whines too much and blames everyone else for your problems. You need to take charge of your life and make your own way.
And you're an old geezer that's been shocked way too many times. All you do is troll this site putting your input where it isn't wanted, and I sure don't want it.

If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

Maybe I should start trolling you on this site.
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And you're an old geezer that's been shocked way too many times. All you do is troll this site putting your input where it isn't wanted, and I sure don't want it.

If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

Maybe I should start trolling you on this site.
Sometimes the truth hurts kid. If anyone knows that I sure as hell do. Good advice isn't always what you want to hear and most times definitely isn't what you want to hear. It is however, what you need to hear. Whether you listen and take the advice is totally up to you but at some point you have to stop bitching about how nothing is your fault and take personal responsibility to garner the outcome you want.
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I spent a few weeks at the Lead Smelter in Herculaneum, Missouri for Shannahan Crane/Hoist company. Even back in 1993 we gave a blood sample day one and then one later on. Although I remember Cement and Copper plants being dustier.
I can totally relate. I recently came off a cement plant project in the high desert thinking that was the dad-gummed dirtiest facility I ever worked at, even worse than the refinery. Went right into a drive upgrade project at the old Kaiser steel mill, now Cal. Steel, and I asked for a layoff the second day. That joint has black dust 1/4" thick UNDER the I beams. Everything was coated with it, especially the cable trays. Some of the crew stripped down to their skivvies before they got into their trucks to go home. For good reason.
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If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
This is the problem, you want to hear nice things instead of the truth. And that is why you are in the position that you are.

If you just opened your ears for once you would be in a much better place.
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Maybe I should start trolling you on this site.
That would be a welcome change from your constant crying about how the whole world is keeping you down.
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This is the problem, you want to hear nice things instead of the truth. And that is why you are in the position that you are.

If you just opened your ears for once you would be in a much better place.
That would be a welcome change from your constant crying about how the whole world is keeping you down.
Maybe it's time for you to retire.
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Helter Smelter,
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So.......that would explain those blisters on your fingers? Which you apparently got at the end of the third line.
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Maybe it's time for you to retire.
I think it is time for you to start listening... You will get absolutely nowhere being stupid AND having the attitude you do.

I had a similar attitude for a very long time and I have been fired 4 times and left more jobs than that. I'm highly intelligent though and know electrical very well, which ironically, is one of the reasons I end up getting fired or leaving jobs... Personality really is very important. I don't know you but from just this thread I really do not see you succeeding, at anything really, if all you want to hear is good things and blame everyone and everything around you for your failures. I really do understand though because I seriously was the same way.
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Maybe it's time for you to retire.
Why would I retire? That makes no sense. I am young and have a successful business. I did it by listening to the people with more experience, and by accepting responsibility when things went wrong, and learning from my mistakes.

What have you done, other than make dozens of threads over the years blaming everyone else for your problems and never willing to actually take the advice that everyone gives you?
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There are schools that teach industrial controls. I had controls taught to me in my high school vo-tech class. I was really the only one in my class though because you had to want to learn it. I ALWAYS wanted to get into industrial, especially motor controls, since I started learning. There are programs out there, many many more colleges are starting up Mechatronics Engineering courses which teach controls, process control and instrumentation, drives, PLCs, and the mechanical side. These are geared for industrial maintenance jobs. Problem is they are not cheap by any means. I know, I started one, never finished... I would like to go back but I have crippled myself financially.



Look for Mechatronics Engineering courses that is what you would want. It is nor going to be cheap though.



EDUCATION in this field is NEVER throwing money away and if you really wanted this you would not be saying that. Sounds like you expect someone to teach you very difficult and intricate things about industrial without having to put in effort or put money out. If that is the case, you will never ever be successful nor wanted in this portion of the field.

Believe it or not, attitude is far more desirable than skills. Trust me, I know this first hand. I am one intelligent guy but I have a very very crappy personality, which I am working on, but it lead to me being fired 4 times and quitting probably as many jobs in less than 10 years. I look horrible on paper and there is absolutely no good way to explain the firings and leaving companies. I can explain them but it just makes me look even worse due to the nature of what I am pretty sure causes it.



100% truth, see my above reply. It does not matter how smart you are or what skills you offer, a ****ty personality or attitude will hold you back and make you fail every single time. Hindsight is 20/20, people tried to warn me when I was still in high school. Of course to me there was nothing wrong, and it took the right person to get me to see that there is and start leading me to what that is. Though I pushed that person away from me as well and most likely that relationship is not repairable.
I already told him where to go for online courses with a good, legitimate college. He said he would look into education after he lands the job. Where I come from, that’s backwards. Would I want brain surgery from a guy who goes to university after he cuts my skull open?
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Hack said he loves him. I think that’s so sweet!
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The local community college here has a mechanotronics associates degree that costs $8,000 over two years. I know because my one nephew is a good candidate with limited means. I think this will be enough to get him hired by someone like Johnson Controls, organized in, and making a LOT of money by the age of 25.
Saw JC and had to chime in. That's not the place to "make a lot of money". Although, some of the upper management does make bank, trying to get a pay raise out of them bastads is another realm.
I worked for JC in their network integration services division for a couple of years never got a raise. I was their sole bucket truck operator, I didn't even have a swamper. And we did a lot of aerial fiber work. I ran into a guy I worked with at Transpac years earlier (long story) on a project his company was competing with JC for. He offers me $5 /hr. more than JC was paying me without even asking me what I was getting. So I go to the proj. super and tell him if JC will just match the $5, I'll stay. I didn't see him for the rest of the day. Next day he drags me in the trailer and begs me to settle for $3/hr. more. The poor guy was almost in tears, asking me where he was going to get another bucket swinger, as if I knew. Then goes into a whole song and dance about how he "went to the top", and fought for the full 5, but alas................ I told him he has 2 weeks to work on it. He spent those 2 weeks working on me. Maybe the controls division, or the battery divisions are different, but I doubt it.
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Yup. I love everyone. At least most people.

If you are a bum, I will tell you that you are a bum. Not because I want to hurt your feels, but because I want you to do better. And many times you need a kick in the ass more than a shoulder to piss and moan on.

I am using the generic "you", of course. Not aimed at you, tjb.
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And you're an old geezer that's been shocked way too many times. All you do is troll this site putting your input where it isn't wanted, and I sure don't want it.

If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

Maybe I should start trolling you on this site.
Don't sweat it young stud. Hack is just mad because you're more handsome than he is.
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I am using the generic "you", of course. Not aimed at you, tjb.


Oh, I know. I wasn’t confused that it’s not me you love. No worries!
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I'm also curious what "combustible dusts" exist at a lead smelter. Can you please shed some insight into that for me?
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