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Old 09-11-2012, 09:58 AM   #21
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That kind of a percentage to Angie's list??? Thirty-five to fourty percent??
That absolutely criminal!

We need to start a web site to protect contractors from this sort of unscrupulous activity. I propose Kens List.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:04 AM   #22
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No, he said he normally charges $2500 to change out a panel. He didn't say anything about changing the meter pan, running new SE cable, or anything. He didn't mention installing AFCI's or GFI breakers anywhere either..

We don't have meter pans here. The services are all metermain w/distro. We can't use SE cable here for services, only feeders inside where it belongs.

I bet this applys to underground services only
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You and one helper do 2 panel changes a day.
You up sell a new ground rod, bonding of water pipes, and upgrade 100A 24 circuit panel, to a 150A panel, with a 100A MB, 42 circuit.

You sell one brand, and you stock one brand.

The extras pay the Angies list commision.

You bag $1900 day for two of you.

Do a great job, and you got a repeat customer.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:09 AM   #24
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That kind of a percentage to Angie's list??? Thirty-five to fourty percent??
That absolutely criminal!
Well, they are sending it out every day for a week to all of their customers. That is why they take a big cut. Same model as all the "deals" websites like groupon and amazon. As a consumer you have to be careful. Some offers are really great deals but sometimes naive businesses dont realize they are giving away the shop. Some do and its a bait and switch. Sometimes the "deals" are of questionable value. I have read stories of popular loss leader deals causing businesses to go under.

No one forces the businesses to do these offers.
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If I was a homeowner I would do this in a second. Especially if I could go from a 100 amp to a 200 amp for an extra $200.
What if it is $200 to go from 100 to 125, then another $200 to go from 125 to 150, then $200 to go to 150 to 200A?

I think this guy has presented this "well". If he sells the "required" add-ons like grounding, arc fault, etc. This could be very profitable. The problems will come when people say, "No, I just want a new panel."
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That would be one helluva deal in a lot of places in my area where increasing the service amperage requires the entire house to be updated.... 2 SABCs, bath circ., laundry circ., GFCIs, AFCIs, TRs, grounding all around........
Ah and there it is. No doubt the $200 is the upgrade for the panel but no doubt the other required extras are just that.. extra. Suddenly the $999+$200 becomes another addition of $1500++. The trouble is that with a $999 price tag (or any cut rate price) you attract a certain kind of customer that will seriously scoff at the additional work. I call this a lose lose proposition the EC loses because he is hoping that he is going to get extra money to do required upgrades which isnt likely to happen and the customer loses because the $999 "upgrade" isnt going to be much of an upgrade either.
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sure any jack leg can change a panel out at a cheap price _ we have to go behind then all the time here when its done improperly

like some of you have said

the customers wants "THE DEAL"

they got the offer and now they want the deal - period - end of sentence

what if you cant legally and responsibly just change out the panel for that flat price?

around here almost no older panels can be just swapped out

good luck trying to squeeze those deal seekers out of any "extras"

the "extras" should have been included in the base bid

if you cant do the job for "THE DEAL" price ................
now you are going to be seen as corrupt but you didnt honor "THE DEAL"
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Ah and there it is. No doubt the $200 is the upgrade for the panel but no doubt the other required extras are just that.. extra. Suddenly the $999+$200 becomes another addition of $1500++. The trouble is that with a $999 price tag (or any cut rate price) you attract a certain kind of customer that will seriously scoff at the additional work. I call this a lose lose proposition the EC loses because he is hoping that he is going to get extra money to do required upgrades which isnt likely to happen and the customer loses because the $999 "upgrade" isnt going to be much of an upgrade either.
$1500 to upgrade all the wiring in a finished dwelling is STILL one helluva deal!
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...my nos. could work this...by swapping 60amp fedpac or sim...to 100 amp h/l...#2 from can down...no pan change..ground and bond incl...can up would have to be in ok condition...but would upsell pan and weather head for $250 addt'l...or if pipe and head..cut thru $350....margin $500-$650...perm/insp addl't...at $999 my guess can down...not a lotta room here for error..GFIC/AFI...could blow nos otta water...all in all the hook/bail/switch is set....now wiat for the bite with that dude...I hate guys that do crap like this...play it straight...I show pics..explain how and why...I tell folks you can buy cheap paint...cheap tires..cheap cloths..what usually happens...this is now different..IMHO
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Here we can only do a service complete.Can't just use old service entrance .Gotta do new grounding ect.
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Here we can only do a service complete.Can't just use old service entrance .Gotta do new grounding ect.

Huh, plenty of us live in PA, and I've never heard of this.
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I really hate what is happening to this trade. It seems like the real successful companies need to screw customers over while they smile at them with their shoe covers on. Seems like an honest person will never get rich in this trade.

sorry for the neg thoughts but I have about had it with playing mr nice guy. From here on out everybody gets a panel change. Need an outlet oh that going to need a circuit too.

I never liked the bait and switch... a hammer suits me fine.
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sure any jack leg can change a panel out at a cheap price _ we have to go behind then all the time here when its done improperly

like some of you have said

the customers wants "THE DEAL"

they got the offer and now they want the deal - period - end of sentence

what if you cant legally and responsibly just change out the panel for that flat price?

around here almost no older panels can be just swapped out

good luck trying to squeeze those deal seekers out of any "extras"

the "extras" should have been included in the base bid

if you cant do the job for "THE DEAL" price ................
now you are going to be seen as corrupt but you didnt honor "THE DEAL"

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Last panel swap I did was for $1200...FPE to Square D Homeline....in 2005.
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That would be one helluva deal in a lot of places in my area where increasing the service amperage requires the entire house to be updated.... 2 SABCs, bath circ., laundry circ., GFCIs, AFCIs, TRs, grounding all around........
Really?? What if it's a finished basement?
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New wiring (for safety and efficiency)

Is wiring a verb or a noun?

When the guy did my panel on my home I upgraded to a 200 Amp and we traded it out for a 4 camera system on his house. He had a spare 200 and I had a spare system from a job.

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Really?? What if it's a finished basement?
I make even more money.
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