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Old 08-25-2012, 10:04 AM   #21
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Your right, they will “just hire another hack”. Perfect I say, that’s one less “cheap customer” I have to waste my time with. Get it? Look at the “hack” as a maggot. Their discusting fly larve that they put on open wounds to eat away at the parasites. Thank God for the “unlicensed hack”! We need more hacks!


Cheap customers go hand in hand with unlicensed contractors. A cheap customer is going to be cheap no matter what.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:57 PM   #22
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I called the utility and AHJ on one family. The 200-amp panel was open, full of 30-amp SP breakers on 12 & 14 ga. wire, mounted low in a family room, small children running around and the wires from the panel to the meter were the old 100-amp wires. It was an electrocution or fire waiting to happen IMO.
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We used to have an old timer EC in these parts snapping photos of trunk slammers and their plates. He wasn't too thrilled when he found out I was trunk slamming to supplement my meeger salary.
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I called the utility and AHJ on one family. The 200-amp panel was open, full of 30-amp SP breakers on 12 & 14 ga. wire, mounted low in a family room, small children running around and the wires from the panel to the meter were the old 100-amp wires. It was an electrocution or fire waiting to happen IMO.
I would have done the same thing. Probably would have called social services too.
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Cheap?

Let's see ... your price was $4500, and they paid out $2000 and got nothing in return? Sounds like real savings to me!

Oh, then the CUSStomer hired another hack? Bet they paid 'retail' for the materials - and, even assuming the same low quote, they're now up to your 'high' price.

No permit? Add permit fees and penalties. No license? Add more expense. Now all the assorted inspectors will chat about this clown over lunch, and he'll have a constant parade of visitors adding fees and penalties. Yup, sure sounds like everyone is saving money here!

No workmans' comp? Well, well, well ... guess who's on the hook for any accidents? An injured guy just might wind up owning the place.
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We used to have an old timer EC in these parts snapping photos of trunk slammers and their plates. He wasn't too thrilled when he found out I was trunk slamming to supplement my meeger salary.
Where's he buried?
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Update: Went by there again today, and the stop work order is still posted on the job.

Not sure when/how they will get this resolved, looks like the city and the electrical board are knee deep in the hoopla on this one....
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I would have done the same. You may have even saved someones life. What it this unlicensed person caused a fire and killed someone. Again Good for you! Keep up the good work.
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A lot of comments about money here. It's not about the money Guys. It's about integrity and doing the right thing. What if this house burns down the one next door and kills someone. It's not snitching. Just DOING THE RIGHT THING. It's about doing it safely and that's what the whole licensing thing and the NEC are about. Thank you for saving someones life. It could be someone one of us knows.
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Have you ever been in the electrical isle at HomeCheapo and listened to the advise they give to people. I have on several occasions stopped some idiot sales guy from telling a customer the wrong way to do an electrical job. I have no qualms about setting someone straight. It's our duty as licensed Electrical Contractors and Licensed Electricians to help people to stop from harming someone.
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Have you ever been in the electrical isle at HomeCheapo and listened to the advise they give to people. I have on several occasions stopped some idiot sales guy from telling a customer the wrong way to do an electrical job. I have no qualms about setting someone straight. It's our duty as licensed Electrical Contractors and Licensed Electricians to help people to stop from harming someone.
that makes me wonder if the guy at hd would be held liable for anything? if there was a problem
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Update: Went by there again today, and the stop work order is still posted on the job.

Not sure when/how they will get this resolved, looks like the city and the electrical board are knee deep in the hoopla on this one....
How much time have you wasted on this job that you didnt get?
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Have you ever been in the electrical isle at HomeCheapo and listened to the advise they give to people. I have on several occasions stopped some idiot sales guy from telling a customer the wrong way to do an electrical job. I have no qualms about setting someone straight. It's our duty as licensed Electrical Contractors and Licensed Electricians to help people to stop from harming someone.


I used to put in my two cents worth , but I don't anymore.
The average customer looks at you as if you had two heads , and likely thinks .... .... what does this old fart know !

So I just walk away.

The average customer who is in there to buy and install electrical equipment , is not there to have things done right , just to have things done CHEAP !

While I am on this rave , YES , I think the store should be held liable , if a problem ensues , but , Good Luck trying to prove liability !
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Update: Went by there again today, and the stop work order is still posted on the job.

Not sure when/how they will get this resolved, looks like the city and the Rabbinical board are knee deep in the hoopla on this one....
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The fact that this house is going to be sold is reason enough to call the inspectors. If the idiot wants to save a buck, and put his own life in danger that is one thing, but selling the house with new uninspected electrical work, could border on fraud.

The HO is breaking the law to save a buck, at the risk of a new homeowner......That is criminal.

So after $2k for the scammer, another $3-4 for the unpermitted work, what was going to happen when the sale went through, and the new homowner asks for permits for the work that was done? You likely saved them further money.
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The fact that this house is going to be sold is reason enough to call the inspectors. If the idiot wants to save a buck, and put his own life in danger that is one thing, but selling the house with new uninspected electrical work, could border on fraud.

The HO is breaking the law to save a buck, at the risk of a new homeowner......That is criminal.

So after $2k for the scammer, another $3-4 for the unpermitted work, what was going to happen when the sale went through, and the new homowner asks for permits for the work that was done? You likely saved them further money.
By this time a whole hydronic heating plant could have been installed for less.
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Used to do side jobs, for cash but I still got a permit. Home owner would pull a home owners permit, would give a list of material, owner buys material and pays sh for my time. Only certain people, and I'm a believer in inspections.
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How much time have you wasted on this job that you didnt get?
Wasted time? You mean, meeting with the so-called owners, visiting the site, preparing and submitting the proposal, etc?

Or driving by there on my way to do other things and noticing the status of the place?

The first aspect I don't consider wasted time. I don't get all the jobs I place a bid on, and it's a part of being in business.

On the second aspect, none really. Well, maybe a few minutes on the Internet: I researched the state database and discovered that the person who I met with masquerading as the owner is really the real estate agent. The real owner lives out of town.

I don't want this job any more, there is too much baggage attached to it. But I will keep one open eyeball on it, just to see how this mess turns out.

As others have pointed out, this is a flip job, with unpermitted and uninspected work attempting to be installed. I would not want to be the one who ends up with that place!


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By this time a whole hydronic heating plant could have been installed for less.
Persactly. I told `em as much on my initial walk-thru. Why they didn't file an insurance claim and restore what was stolen is beyond me. There is more going on here that they didn't want to reveal.

But it's a moot point for me. I don't want the job now, there's too much baggage, and liability attached. I don't care who does the work, but whoever it is had better obtain the proper permits and inspections, if nothing more than for the peace of mind of the new owners if and when someone buys the place.
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It's our duty as licensed Electrical Contractors and Licensed Electricians to help people to stop from harming someone.
I used to think that too, but that assumption of being liason for the public good and safe electrical work was predicated on the powers that be backing me up on it

finding that the punishment justified the crime(s) soured me on it

so they issue a stop work notice, whooptido....for every one posted there are 100 other hack-o-rama's going on here, the state of VT being hopelessly blind

in fact, it's the larger chunk of the resi reno biz going on right now. So ask yourself, do we want to intergrate our biz's alongside this faction of construction and eat, or sit the moral high ground hungry?

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If you will go hungry losing jobs that are morally wrong like that or any similar reason then it is time to put pride aside and go work foran EC that knows how to drum up the work that pays bills.
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