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Old 09-01-2016, 07:38 AM   #1
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I would like to post a proposal with out customer info. I'm hoping to gain some incite into my pricing. I have had some success in bidding New Construction but not as much as I would have thought. Is it appropriate to do this?
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Do it. I don't know if I would post the actual proposal, though, maybe just a general scope of work.
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Posted it all, blank out the customer info.
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Do it but be ready to be ridiculed about being to cheap.
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I hope we don't have to wait 2yrs for a reply.
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I hope we don't have to wait 2yrs for a reply.
2 out of the 4 of us have a good chance to be dead in 2 years...
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I would like to post a proposal with out customer info. I'm hoping to gain some incite into my pricing. I have had some success in bidding New Construction but not as much as I would have thought. Is it appropriate to do this?
I say go for it. Post the proposal with no customer info.

Do you think that pricing is the primary reason for your bidding success not meeting your expectations? If so do you feel that your pricing is too high or too low?

This forum is a great resource to learn more about bidding and selling jobs more effectively. If you are looking for help just share your proposal. I'm sure that it will incite some constructive discussion.
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Honestly any of us could die at anytime...... But anyways
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2 out of the 4 of us have a good chance to be dead in 2 years...
That's nice.
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2 out of the 4 of us have a good chance to be dead in 2 years...
That's about the time Trump will ask, "What happens if I push this button?"
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New Construction pricing

Contractor shall provide all labor and perform all work necessary for the completion of the Electrical Services as described below. Contractor will provide closet lights and recessed can lighting, all other lighting and fixtures to be supplied by Owner/General Contractor.

Ground Floor:


Exterior/Carport:
• [3] GFCI receptacles $ 58.00 per location $ 174.00
• [1] Outdoor wall light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00
• [3] Outdoor overhead light $ 40.00 per location $ 120.00


Storage:
• [1] Overhead light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00
• [1] GFCI receptacles $ 53.00 per location $ 53.00
• [1] Single pole switch $ 22.50 per location $ 22.50


Lower Entry / Interior Stairs:
• [1] Overhead light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00
• [4] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 106.00
• [1] Fluorescents 48x1 $ 60.00 per location $ 60.00
• [1] Single pole switch $ 22.50 per location $ 22.50
• [1] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 36.50
• [1] Smoke detector $ 38.00 per location $ 38.00



Pool:
• Pool Pump $ 275.00
• Pool fence lights $ 675.00
• Pool heater $ 465.00
• Pool subpanel $ 1600.00
• Outside shower light $ 225.00


First Floor:


Hall/Foyer:
• [5] Recessed Can $ 65.00 per location $ 325.00
• [2] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 73.00
• [3] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 79.50
• [1] 4-way switches $ 28.00 per location $ 28.00
• [2] Carbon detector $ 75.00 per location $ 150.00
• [1] Overhead light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00


Laundry Room:
• [1] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 36.50
• [1] Single pole switch $ 22.50 per location $ 22.50
• [1] 2’ fluorescent $ 80.00 per location $ 80.00


Hall/Mech:
• [1] Single pole switch $ 22.50 per location $ 22.50
• [1] 2’ fluorescent $ 80.00 per location $ 80.00
• [1] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 36.50


Bed #2:
• [6] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 219.00
• [1] 2’ fluorescent $ 80.00 per location $ 80.00
• [1] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 26.50
• [3] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 67.50
• [1] Ceiling Fan $210.00 per location $ 210.00


1st Fl. Bath :
• [1] Overhead light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00
• [4] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 106.00
• [1] GFCI receptacle $ 53.00 per location $ 53.00
• [2] Wall light $ 40.00 per location $ 80.00
• [1] Bath fan Light Combo $145.00 per location $ 145.00


Bed #3:
• [6] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 219.00
• [1] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 26.50
• [1] Smoke detector $ 38.00 per location $ 38.00
• [2] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 45.00
• [1] Ceiling Fan $210.00 per location $ 210.00
• [2] Wall light ( Deck) $ 40.00 per location $ 80.00



Bed #4:
• [6] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 219.00
• [1] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 26.50
• [5] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 112.50
• [1] Ceiling Fan $210.00 per location $ 210.00
• [1] Smoke detector $ 38.00 per location $ 38.00
• [1] Ceiling Fan ( Deck) $210.00 per location $ 210.00
• [2] Wall light ( Deck) $ 40.00 per location $ 80.00



Second Floor:

Great Room/Hall:
• [5] Recessed Can $ 65.00 per location $ 325.00
• [5] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 182.50
• [4] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 90.00
• [3] 3-way switches $ 26.50 per location $ 79.50
• [1] Ceiling Fan $210.00 per location $ 210.00
• [1] Ceiling Fan ( Deck) $210.00 per location $ 210.00
• [1] Carbon detector $ 75.00 per location $ 75.00
• [1] Floor receptacle $230.00 per location $ 230.00


Dining Room/Kitchen:
• [1] Chandelier $ 210.00
• [11] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 401.50
• [2] GFCI receptacles $ 53.00 per location $ 106.00
• [4] Recessed cans $ 65.00 per location $ 260.00
• [4] Pendants $ 90.00 per location $ 360.00
• [4] Single pole switch $ 22.50 per location $ 90.00
• [9’] Under Cabinet Lighting $ 40.00 per linear foot $ 360.00
• [1] Switched Receptacle for U/C $125.00 per location $ 125.00
• [2] Wall light ( Deck) $ 40.00 per location $ 80.00



Powder Room:
• [1] Wall light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00
• [1] GFCI receptacle $ 53.00 per location $ 106.00
• [2] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 45.00
• [1] Bath fan $ 90.00 per location $ 90.00


Master Bed #1/ WIC :
• [7] Standard 110V receptacles $ 36.50 per location $ 255.50
• [3] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 67.50
• [1] Ceiling Fan $210.00 per location $ 210.00
• [1] 2’ fluorescent $ 80.00 per location $ 80.00
• [1] Smoke detector $ 38.00 per location $ 38.00


Master Bath #1:
• [1] Standard 110V receptacle $ 36.50 per location $ 36.50
• [1] GFCI receptacle $ 53.00 per location $ 53.00
• [1] Recessed can $ 65.00 per location $ 65.00
• [2] Wall lights $ 40.00 per location $ 80.00
• [4] Single pole switches $ 22.50 per location $ 90.00
• [1] Bath fan Light Combo $145.00 per location $ 145.00


Electrical Service:
• [1] 300 AMP Service $1600.00
• [8] 20 AMP 120V arc fault circuits $ 680.00
• [2] Air handler 220V circuits $ 700.00
• [1] W/H circuit $ 235.00
• [1] Range circuit $ 265.00
• [1] Dryer circuit $ 235.00
• [2] AC unit circuits $ 470.00
• [1] Elevator 220 V $ 235.00


Audio Video:
• [5] Prewire TV’s $125.00 per location $ 625.00
• [5] TV Mounting $100.00 per location $ 500.00
• [7] TV’s provided by AAT TBD TBD


*Options Available:
• [1] Pool interior light wiring $ 385.00
(300 or 500 watt halogen fixture, LED is available at a different expense)
• Dimmers $ 43.00 per location TBD
• AV equipment for touch screens and or whole home audio packs, please consider we provide this service as well.

*The Total Below Includes everything except options Mentioned Above.



All material is guaranteed to be as specified, and the above work to be completed in accordance with the specifications for above work and completed in a professional manner, and warranted for a period of one year, for the sum of $17,848.00 with payments to be according to the following Payment Schedule:


Event Payment Amount


completion of rough in $ 11,600.00

completion of trim-out $ 6,248.00

Acceptance of proposal is binding as a contractual agreement for the sums and scope provided above. If any of the options are not preferred, please advise us for an amended contract to be issued. The Contract can be amended prior to signature or during construction with written and agreed upon change orders.


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I'm at close to 40 bucks for a GFCI receptacle and a bubble cover, materials alone, so I'm no good for this conversation.
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Looks very cheap, but I am not in your area nor do I do new construction.

"[8] 20 AMP 120V arc fault circuits $ 680.00"

So you are charging $85 per circuit to both rough and trim, which will leave you with $40 after purchasing the ArcFault breakers?

"[1] Outdoor wall light $ 40.00 per location $ 40.00
[3] Outdoor overhead light $ 40.00 per location $ 120.00"

$40 to do all the rough-in wiring and then go back and hang the light?

What about the switching for those lights, I didn't see it listed.
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Couple small things, I think you need to discern the you are the contractor in the first paragraph. The other thing I don't like is calling recessed fixtures "can" lights. Plus I believe you need to specify whether or not they are LED and if it is a baffle trim or not.
The only other thing I would do is dumb it down a bit and only specify a certain number of Lighting outlets, gfci rec's and so on, but that is probably because I am a lazy fiuck.
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You are looking for money after rough and final. What happens with material costs both if you get screwed, and paying your bill if they are very late payers. I would cover my materials with a payment at start of work.

I agree also about to much detail, just list total circuits and a as per prints or code requirments.
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I would definitely agree with those that say there is too much detail in the breakdown of pricing. That enables the "customer" to take your bid to the next guy and shop around for a price that is a few bucks cheaper per item.

Basically it makes it really easy for someone else to take that pricing and knock off a little here and there to make your total look too expensive.

From my experience, most new construction homes are built by the cheapest bidder. Giving too much detail away too early makes it easy for someone else to be the cheapest bidder.

I also agree with getting a deposit before work begins to cover your costs for permitting and rough materials should something beyond your control happen and prohibit you from completing the job.
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The typical GC building in low volumes depends upon bank financing to swing things.

You want your tab to be paid promptly whenever the GC gets a new tranche from the bank.

You can check around, but in my neck of the woods, a HUGE slug of money is dispensed when the sheet rock goes in.

So I'd nail down my 'rough' closure with language that mimics whatever the local bankers are using in their loans.

A local attorney that deals in this area could prove most illuminating.

BTW, it's a market that most fellas run away from.

As Romex Racer could relate, the winners cheat by using illegal immigrant labor.

If you haven't seen this yet, you will soon.
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Wow, that looks more like a check list for your own use than something to be sent out to a customer. Way too much info to digest for a GC. All a GC wants to see is your terms and price, unless there are options on a specific part. That is when you need details. As others have stated you need to have payment terms in place to cover your rear end. In the odd event that a GC has a 'pet' EC he hands that guy your quote and he has the job in his hands minus any leg or head work.
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Well I showed up late to give my opinion. I can't offer much better than previously stated other than...... Too cheap!
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Thank You.. I really appreciate the feedback and will be marinating on many of the suggestions. FWIW I did not get the job the contractor told me I was 6,000.00 over what his usual guy bids. I'm wondering why he even had me bid in the first place..... More to come on this subject but relating to service. thanks guys and gals.
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