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Old 03-03-2019, 06:33 AM   #21
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Since nobody has steered me toward an existing product, I've started to build this app myself. Most of the design phase is complete and it's looking pretty cool. I'm not planning on selling it, at least not to anybody in my state. This thing could create a serious competitive advantage.
Aw come on now. I think you're messing with us.

If the app you develop is good enough to be competitive on the open market, you'd be

giving up a competitive advantage in the software development market

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hold on to a competitive advantage in the electrical contracting market.

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Here is a link to the pricing information: https://es2flatrate.com
I think that’s the same program that everyone was telling me to get 6-7 years ago.
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I tried it years ago and found the software a bit "90s" still better than anything I'd designed though. It has improved a lot since and with that the price has increased significantly- probably still worth it just haven't been able to talk my husband into it. Also felt the prices may price us out of our market, not to say I wouldn't love to increase profits. I always feel it's a struggle in our area yet I see other Floridians with sales into the millions, so maybe I just need to stop being so scared but we're already one of the highest ECs in our area. As I ramble I'm reminded the software creator may even be in FL, sorry talking to myself a bit here... Working on a sales pitch to the guys.
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I tried it years ago and found the software a bit "90s" still better than anything I'd designed though. It has improved a lot since and with that the price has increased significantly- probably still worth it just haven't been able to talk my husband into it. Also felt the prices may price us out of our market, not to say I wouldn't love to increase profits. I always feel it's a struggle in our area yet I see other Floridians with sales into the millions, so maybe I just need to stop being so scared but we're already one of the highest ECs in our area. As I ramble I'm reminded the software creator may even be in FL, sorry talking to myself a bit here... Working on a sales pitch to the guys.
Not sure if you are aware of it or not, but you control 100% the prices of the FR tasks. There is a section where you enter in your hourly rate, you also can change the material mark-up, material prices (if for example your SH charges more/less for an item), etc.

I am in SF, our labor rates are 2-3 times what many of you are in the South and Midwest, so we have to be able to change the pricing. All that is built into the system, giving you the flexibility to create pricing and custom tasks specific to your business.
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It also is no longer an app and is instead 100% web based. So you would need a device that can connect to the internet at all times, and you typically would want to be in an area with good cell coverage.
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So you would need a device that can connect to the internet at all times, and you typically would want to be in an area with good cell coverage.
And there goes us implementing it. Some of the rural areas that we service are little to no signal- even for our cell phones.
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A "tech"

In my area, a residential electrician would ...
I've had several people react to the word "tech" in several posts. I could say "service truck electrician" I suppose, but there is really nothing wrong with being a technician as the definitions below prove.

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* a person skilled in the technique of an art or craft.
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A technician is a worker in a field of technology who is proficient in the relevant skill and technique, with a relatively practical understanding of the theoretical principles.
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That second definition especially sounds like most electricians I know.

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Aw come on now. I think you're messing with us.

If the app you develop is good enough to be competitive on the open market, you'd be giving up a competitive advantage in the software development market to hold on to a competitive advantage in the electrical contracting market.
I'm not messing with you and this is not an advertisement for a product. It's not my plan to develop software to sell. Just the thought of all the work related to trying to sell that product is giving me the willies. (Of course, if the product turns out to be so awesome that I think I have a gold mine on my hands, that could change. )

I like being an EC and I'm just trying to apply my skills at writing software to make my job easier. This is something I and probably every other software developer does. There are so many tasks we do on a daily basis that can be automated. (Sometimes writing the software takes longer than doing the task, but software engineers like to write programs to solve problems.)

Currently I am using a couple of programs I wrote to do my business: a payroll calculating program (which save me from having to pay extra to Quickbooks); and a very basic estimating system which has a database of products and prices and allows me to quickly make a material list and price it.

I also have printed a custom appointment book each year because none of the commercial products are in a style I find useful. It's an entirely manual process that takes about four tedious hours to complete. I keep thinking I need to automate that as well probably with a program written in Microsoft Word scripting language (VBA).

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I'm not messing with you and this is not an advertisement for a product. It's not my plan to develop software to sell. Just the thought of all the work related to trying to sell that product is giving me the willies. (Of course, if the product turns out to be so awesome that I think I have a gold mine on my hands, that could change. )
Now this makes sense to me, the reason to not bring it to the market is because of the huge investment it takes to bring an in-house custom built application to market, not because it could hurt your electrical sales a little
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I tried it years ago and found the software a bit "90s" still better than anything I'd designed though. It has improved a lot since and with that the price has increased significantly- probably still worth it just haven't been able to talk my husband into it. Also felt the prices may price us out of our market, not to say I wouldn't love to increase profits. I always feel it's a struggle in our area yet I see other Floridians with sales into the millions, so maybe I just need to stop being so scared but we're already one of the highest ECs in our area. As I ramble I'm reminded the software creator may even be in FL, sorry talking to myself a bit here... Working on a sales pitch to the guys.
We’ve gotten to the point that most of our work is new construction and remodel.
I looked at our service tickets and saw that per full day that work’s more profitable than my service work atm. Unless it’s service upgrades.
Probably my fault for not pricing high enough for the small jobs.

But it’s making me think about revisiting the software. I know my labor hours and my guys. I just need that extra jab in the side to make me stick with what I want out of a job instead of what “I think they will pay”.
And with new construction keeping us busy, doesn’t hurt to not get jobs.
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We’ve gotten to the point that most of our work is new construction and remodel.
I looked at our service tickets and saw that per full day that work’s more profitable than my service work atm. Unless it’s service upgrades.
Probably my fault for not pricing high enough for the small jobs.

But it’s making me think about revisiting the software. I know my labor hours and my guys. I just need that extra jab in the side to make me stick with what I want out of a job instead of what “I think they will pay”.
And with new construction keeping us busy, doesn’t hurt to not get jobs.
I could understand what you said if you were talking about troubleshooting service calls only.

But the "installation work" that is generally considered part of service work should be much more profitable than construction/renovation. I am talking the half day jobs, 6 hour jobs, even the shorter ones. I often make more in a 2-3 hour installation job than most of my competition does in 8 hours of construction/renovations.

So I definitely think you should visit the idea you mentioned about not charging enough for the small jobs before investing in a system.
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I often make more in a 2-3 hour installation job than most of my competition does in 8 hours of construction/renovations.

So I definitely think you should visit the idea you mentioned about not charging enough for the small jobs before investing in a system.

What pricing method do you use?

Small jobs are my weakness but I'm trying to change that. Trying to tell myself it may be small but many people still want it done correctly by a licensed contractor and don't mind paying. Still struggle charging what I feel it's worth to drive to and work at a home for 1-2 hours. We do mainly residential remodel/repair.

Our van did 4 small 1-2 hour jobs today and an emergency call, do have 16 billed hours for the van but still feel we could have done better. Most days are half or full day jobs where we make better money.
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