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Old 03-22-2016, 07:55 PM   #1
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To all you electricians with employees..How do you feel about your employees
doing electrical work after hours, taking away potential customers. Now I know some will say what one does on their off time is their business but I have a employee that is making this a habit. Does any of your companys have a policy dealing with this?? THANKS for any input.
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Old 03-22-2016, 08:22 PM   #2
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I think most companies have a contract clause about this.
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Pay them more. Take away the incentive. Otherwise...
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Give them what they want. Full time side work.
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I see it as this- if they have their own customer base, I am fine with that. But it crosses the line if they are stealing your customers. That to me is a fireable offense .
Your potential customer will call you for service, not them.

Is the employee cutting your working hours so he can tend to his side work? As stated before- pay him more and or offer him overtime. He's doing because he's either greedy or not making enough by working for you.
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I see it as this- if they have their own customer base, I am fine with that. But it crosses the line if they are stealing your customers. That to me is a fireable offense .
Your potential customer will call you for service, not them.

Is the employee cutting your working hours so he can tend to his side work? As stated before- pay him more and or offer him overtime. He's doing because he's either greedy or not making enough by working for you.
...or setting himself up for his own business
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This must be an urban legend.

I've never witnessed any electrician that competed with his employer.

Period.

Moonlighting consisted of commercial electricians flailing about trying to start their own firm -- by doing residential service work on the side.

A sure fire losing proposition.

At the first opportunity -- they were sacked .

End of story... end of career.

No-one survive 'being sick' that many days.
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BTW, it's common boilerplate -- way deep in the contract -- that should a client hire the EC's employee -- he owes a double fee to the original contractor.

This proviso is to stand through to the next 24 month AFTER the last date of contract hire.

In so many words, the client has to pay for the electrician TWICE.

The second time is pure profit to the original EC.
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In my rare case, I once worked for an EC that primarily did government work. He would tell us he didn't mind us doing side work. Said there's plenty of work for everyone. He was ok with that as long as we worked our 40 hrs. He's probably the only EC to ever say that, lol.
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In my rare case, I once worked for an EC that primarily did government work. He would tell us he didn't mind us doing side work. Said there's plenty of work for everyone. He was ok with that as long as we worked our 40 hrs. He's probably the only EC to ever say that, lol.
Since I don't do residential, my guys are free to do whatever housing side jobs, as long as they pull a permit.
Commercial is a different story. Not allowed. That's mine
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Unless the guy is taking your existing customers, it's none of your concern.
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My boss sent out a note in the pay checks. He wants everyone to use their name for the PO# if they are buying personal materials at the supply house. He has no problem with his employees geting his discount. He had problems with tracking materials to jobs a few times.

One guy took advantage of his discount constantly. He was also geting the materials delivered to his house. He no longer works for the company. Supposedly for other reasons.
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Unless the guy is taking your existing customers, it's none of your concern.
Using your tools, your equipment and your parts? No, if you want to be a contractor you should do what I did, quit and started my own company. I put in my notice, took my vacation time and got my ducks lined up(insurance, licenses) then I started doing work, not before.
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Using your tools, your equipment and your parts?
That's a different horse. That wasn't part of the initial conditions of the question. If a guy that works for me gets in his hatchback and side jobs for Aunt May after hours, it isn't my problem. Now, if I'm eating lunch with the family on Sunday and he rattles by in my van, that's a problem.
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That's a different horse. That wasn't part of the initial conditions of the question. If a guy that works for me gets in his hatchback and side jobs for Aunt May after hours, it isn't my problem. Now, if I'm eating lunch with the family on Sunday and he rattles by in my van, that's a problem.
That and if it slows his production at his main job.

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BTW, it's common boilerplate -- way deep in the contract -- that should a client hire the EC's employee -- he owes a double fee to the original contractor.

This proviso is to stand through to the next 24 month AFTER the last date of contract hire.

In so many words, the client has to pay for the electrician TWICE.

The second time is pure profit to the original EC.
AIA401 is considered said boilerplate contract telsa

It's often handed out to subs with reference to the 'main contract', which a sub may never see.

That and a dime might get you a cup o' joe in court though.....

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Pay them more. Take away the incentive. Otherwise...
Conversely, the last EC i worked for decades ago wouldn't even shake my hand when i informed him i passed my masters & simply told me 'a master don't mean nuthin' to me'

I replied 'well i does to me' , and gave him my notice on the spot.

Two weeks later i opened my doors , a few years after that i had taken enough of his biz that he sold out & retired.

Treating help like dogs is incentive as well

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The only problem I have with it is that 99% of them aren't insured/bonded. If something were to happen would there be a way it could come back to the EC even though he has nothing to do with it. I know a lot of guys that work off of craigslist and a lot of side work. They get away with doing it for cash and way cheaper because they dont have permits, insurance, bonding therefore it drives down the price for the guys doing it right.
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The only problem I have with it is that 99% of them aren't insured/bonded. If something were to happen would there be a way it could come back to the EC even though he has nothing to do with it. I know a lot of guys that work off of craigslist and a lot of side work. They get away with doing it for cash and way cheaper because they dont have permits, insurance, bonding therefore it drives down the price for the guys doing it right.
I used to think that, but really, how could it drive the price down? People looking for side jobbers on Craigslist aren't interested in doing it right any way. They were never going to call a legit EC, so they aren't part of the market we're in.
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