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Old 11-30-2019, 04:49 PM   #41
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I have been interested in flipping and watched all the TV shows, but one thing puzzles me.

How can you make this work in state like California where you can't get permits
for doing work on property you own for less than one year? Almost all the purchase contracts require permit documentation of some sort.

I don't believe you can do massive work on these flips without permits and get away with it.

i guess i should just stick to directing and guiding the flow of electrons.
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I have been interested in flipping and watched all the TV shows, but one thing puzzles me.

How can you make this work in state like California where you can't get permits
for doing work on property you own for less than one year? Almost all the purchase contracts require permit documentation of some sort.

I don't believe you can do massive work on these flips without permits and get away with it.

i guess i should just stick to directing and guiding the flow of electrons.
Is that law pertaining only to the homeowner pulling a permit? Or to licensed contractors too?

There is something in my state about homeowners not being able to sell a house within a year or two of purchasing it if they renovated and pulled a homeowner's permit and are not licensed in the trades of those permits.
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Old 11-30-2019, 05:03 PM   #43
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With a contractor what you say makes sense.

I thought that many who did flipping are not contractors, hence my question.
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With a contractor what you say makes sense.

I thought that many who did flipping are not contractors, hence my question.
I guess it depends. I thought most house flippers either used contractors or were contractors themselves.

Sure, there are those DIYer types who want to do it like they see on TV, but I think those are few and far between in the real world.
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In cali they don't pull permits . Most of these guys just do paint , flooring new counter tops and the like . They only get plumbers a electricians to put in new fixtures . They are not touching the structure so permits are not required . I got a buddy that does flips . He has no interest in using tools . He gets bids for counters and paint . All he has is cash and credit .

When its all done he gets a home inspection . All he has me do do is replace plugs , switches and the lights . The plumber puts in new faucets maybe a water heater . He does quick landscaping and puts it up on the market .

every time he does this I have to spend a day or two fixing all the crap the home inspection called out . From door stops to dry rot . He also does new door hardware but not the hinges . He makes money at it and he can't do a trade to save his life .

I can spot a house flip from a mile away . Now the guys that move walls and such that's called remodel and in a different realm . They are not flips they are investments .
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I doubt you need a permit to install a new toilet, do you?

How about floating floors, a new vanity in the bathroom?

What if you wanted to change out windows, you need a permit for that also?
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In the California jurisdictions I am familiar with you need a permit to replace windows if altering the framing, removing 32 ft^2 of sheet rock, and many other nit-picky type things.

It seems a shame to cover easy to address electrical/plumbing problems with fancy counter tops. but I guess that is how flippers make money. The houses I own here were complete basket cases when I bought them; uninsulated walls, single pane windows, crap electrical, and so on. You would have to be stupid to buy them after a just a simple cosmetic flip.
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In the California jurisdictions I am familiar with you need a permit to replace windows if altering the framing, removing 32 ft^2 of sheet rock, and many other nit-picky type things.
That's just crazy
I suppose you reap what you sow out there, with elected officials.



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It seems a shame to cover easy to address electrical/plumbing problems with fancy counter tops. but I guess that is how flippers make money.
You can't hide electrical ad plumbing problems with a fancy counter-top.


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The houses I own here were complete basket cases when I bought them; uninsulated walls, single pane windows, crap electrical, and so on.

I like doing basket case projects that are total tear downs. Everything down to the studs. No surprises, and everything gets redone.

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You would have to be stupid to buy them after a just a simple cosmetic flip.
The whole used car industry uses that as a business model. The same applies to homes, boats, and anything being sold second hand.


If you're dumb enough to buy a place, without having it completely inspected, knowing it is a flip home, then shame on you.
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I feel like the flipping ship has sailed, too many flippers for too few good deals. Flipping is not as easy as it looks. I was a flipper during the subprime mortgage days and now I am a landlord for properties I bought 20 years ago.

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I think we are allowed to change up to 2 lights and 4 devices without a permit. Any more than that and a permit is required.

I might be off on the exact number because I don't care what they say or want.
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This slow down of issuing building permits for period of up to around 1 year are not due to budgetary restraints. Same thing is instituted here. It's "Smart Citys" initiative stuff coming from the UN. Our Mayor and City Council have all gone repeatedly to Belgium to UN seminars and they come home with all sorts of insane planning idea's. I bet you see a lot of Bike Rental racks with "Smart Bicycles" going in on city sidewalks all around the place right?
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I think we are allowed to change up to 2 lights and 4 devices without a permit. Any more than that and a permit is required.

I might be off on the exact number because I don't care what they say or want.
Similar here, and also similar because nobody I know cares either, myself included.
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This slow down of issuing building permits for period of up to around 1 year are not due to budgetary restraints. Same thing is instituted here. It's "Smart Citys" initiative stuff coming from the UN. Our Mayor and City Council have all gone repeatedly to Belgium to UN seminars and they come home with all sorts of insane planning idea's. I bet you see a lot of Bike Rental racks with "Smart Bicycles" going in on city sidewalks all around the place right?
Welcome to the New World Order, it just keeps getting better and better. Of course you live in one of the most left wing places on planet earth, so what did you expect Mikey?
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I think we are allowed to change up to 2 lights and 4 devices without a permit. Any more than that and a permit is required.

I might be off on the exact number because I don't care what they say or want.

Nobody pulls permits for small stuff like that. I even had a local inspector once question what I was doing at a particular address he saw my van parked at. Told him I was wiring a new electric water heater (the truth). I asked him if he wanted to waste his time inspecting that? He said no, and that was the end of that discussion.
Hell, just about anything invisible from the street that has no other trades permits pulled gets done under the radar in my world.
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I think we are allowed to change up to 2 lights and 4 devices without a permit. Any more than that and a permit is required.

I might be off on the exact number because I don't care what they say or want.
Here is what is the latest madness for the Kingdom of New Jersey

https://www.nj.gov/dca/divisions/cod...W_03052018.pdf

PS: Don't forget we converted to NEC 2017 and have the 6 month grace to "pick" which edition to be inspected under till Very Early March 2020. So write either 2014 NEC or it will default to 2017 (supposedly).
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