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Old 12-01-2017, 09:04 PM   #21
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Sadly, I'm seeing this more and more, especially from younger people......they feel they should do only what they want to do, not what they need to do.

And even worse, when they run up against something that they don't understand or they feel is too difficult, they just stop, rather than figure it out or ask for help.

It sounds like this kid came to a difficult part of the run and he just gave up.

Too lazy or too stupid.....maybe both.......lol.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:08 PM   #22
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Yanno what, every one of us here paid our dues as an apprentice

We learned by example when we could, listened when tutored , took instruction , fell asleep w/ a code book many a night , and we asked when we got lost

I'll be chicken nuggets before any cocky youngster decides different on my turf

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Old 12-01-2017, 09:14 PM   #23
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Could be curse of the video game generation.

Spent the last 6 years holed up in their bedrooms choosing
which game to play and master and if they don't like it
or cannot figure out the game , move on to a new one.

Anti social and completely out of touch with face to face
interaction
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:27 PM   #24
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I suggest you practice on the pipe if it's your weakness./QUOTE]

I just want to make clear... I have no problems working with pipe.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:28 PM   #25
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I suggest you practice on the pipe if it's your weakness./QUOTE]

I just want to make clear... I have no problems working with pipe.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:29 PM   #26
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:36 PM   #27
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Better to have your apprentice walk out the door than that blonde who always wore the fuzzy mohair sweaters and thought you were the cutest sexiest thing that ever walked. Yes sir, better than that happening..............
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:10 AM   #28
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I suggest you practice on the pipe if it's your weakness./QUOTE]

I just want to make clear... I have no problems working with pipe.
"Need practice" is not confidence inspiring.

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This is the new normal with apprentices these days and companies are putting up with it for whatever reason.
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His little ego might have been hurt a bit when it was discovered how little pipe bending experience he had.
If you can pick up on something like that you might want to say that you are a bit rusty and maybe we should bend a few 90s and kicks together to warm up.

Best thing to do with young guys these days is to work with them as a peer and not boss them hard first thing. They come along very nicely like that and start to realize they can learn something from you.

One thing you have to realize is not everyone is good on a small crew. It's too intense for them. Those kind of people need a big job with plenty of dynamics and like to go to one place everyday and work their shift.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:45 AM   #31
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Gals can do everything as well as guys --
When I was a single man operation and wiring gas station equipment, I could keep up with the conduit runs by myself, but pulling wire by myself just was too difficult.

So, .... my wife would come feed the wires while I pulled them in (a few 12's and some 14's in a 3/4" conduit). I've worked with many a different wire feeder. The ones that did the worst job were the "electricians" that knew everything. My wife on the other hand knew nothing, and she listened to my instructions and she was the best wire feeder I ever worked with.
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When I was a single man operation and wiring gas station equipment, I could keep up with the conduit runs by myself, but pulling wire by myself just was too difficult.

So, .... my wife would come feed the wires while I pulled them in (a few 12's and some 14's in a 3/4" conduit). I've worked with many a different wire feeder. The ones that did the worst job were the "electricians" that knew everything. My wife on the other hand knew nothing, and she listened to my instructions and she was the best wire feeder I ever worked with.
She sounds like a keeper!
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I have found, in my short life, that there are a lot of people who cannot listen and process the instructions that you give them. While there are many who can't process a written list, either, I have often found that a written list sometimes does better because you can show them the list and say - by the way, I wrote down the list in the order that I wanted you to do them, and you haven't finished #1, so please go back and finish #1 before you start #2.

you might find this helps you, especially with aholes who can't follow instructions. additionally, it may also help you managing greater numbers of guys as well.

there is, and will never be any shortage of aholes and pricks, so don't let it get you down.

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This is a great idea. I'm going to suggest to my electrical dept. manager that he bring this up to the journeymen in their next meeting.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:44 AM   #34
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I have found, in my short life, that there are a lot of people who cannot listen and process the instructions that you give them. While there are many who can't process a written list, either, I have often found that a written list sometimes does better because you can show them the list and say - by the way, I wrote down the list in the order that I wanted you to do them, and you haven't finished #1, so please go back and finish #1 before you start #2.
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This is a great idea. I'm going to suggest to my electrical dept. manager that he bring this up to the journeymen in their next meeting.
Writing things down is one of the simplest, most useful, underrated, underutilized tools there is. I see this in all different fields. Instructions, checklists, etc. It doesn't matter the medium.

Even simple things, I have been on many walk throughs with customers where I am the only contractor with a pencil and paper. The rest are nodding and asking questions and etc., but not writing anything down. I remember when I was a kid, I would think I must be a moron, all these guys can remember all this? I figured out I was not the moron and why residential projects are generally a **** show, residential contractors are generally allergic to being organized.

When it's there in simple clear concise writing before during and after, it just takes all the heat out of the discussion. Here's what you were supposed to do, there's what you did, here's where you went wrong.

It stops people from running in circles trying to figure out what to do, I can remember many times in planning meetings people talking around it over and over, getting nowhere - you start writing it down - soon you have a plan.
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If it was up to me, that guy would be gone. It's a huge company and he is slowly digging his little apprentice grave
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I did talk to the boss. . He backed me 100%. He told the kid "Unless your Journeyman is asking you to do something that is a danger to you or others in the workspace, you do what your journeyman tells you". Luckily the lil bastard didn't make anything up so there was no air to clear
When I first ran a service truck I had the exact same issue, the boss told the little PIA either get back there and dig the trench or go home.

As you gain experience you will be better able to handle these PIA's.

Are you working in a union shop?
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