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Old 07-22-2016, 10:09 AM   #121
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Old 07-22-2016, 10:14 AM   #122
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Exactly.

Do you really think I would rather do the mature thing and ignore him? I thought you knew me better than that!
Gak! What was I thinking?
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I only know one thing. Dr Ronda says it's good to put 100% cream into my coffee and that tastes way better than milk does so I'm a new proponent.


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I only know one thing. Dr Ronda says it's good to put 100% cream into my coffee and that tastes way better than milk does so I'm a new proponent.


See you in the cardiac ward.....
Light and sweet is the only way to drink coffee.
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I wish I didn't eat Rocky and Bullwinkle. Organic unpasturized cream would have been best, but my house on Oahu - the yard is not big enough to graze a cat let alone two cows like my Big Island house.
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I wish I didn't eat Rocky and Bullwinkle. Organic unpasturized cream would have been best, but my house on Oahu - the yard is not big enough to graze a cat let alone two cows like my Big Island house.
I wouldn't eat cream from a bovine with bull in its name. I just like to stay on the safe side... bull cream sounds like it would be a baaaaaaaad thing.

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I wish I didn't eat Rocky and Bullwinkle. Organic unpasturized cream would have been best, but my house on Oahu - the yard is not big enough to graze a cat let alone two cows like my Big Island house.
I see right through your misdirection. I already know your yard is bigger than that!
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I wish I didn't eat Rocky and Bullwinkle. Organic unpasturized cream would have been best, but my house on Oahu - the yard is not big enough to graze a cat let alone two cows like my Big Island house.
You milk cats?
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I wouldn't eat cream from a bovine with bull in its name. I just like to stay on the safe side... bull cream sounds like it would be a baaaaaaaad thing.

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A calorie of fat is not equal to a calorie of carb.
Actually, that's incorrect. A calorie is a unit of measure. What you're saying is like saying a foot of wire is a different length than a foot of pipe.

There are differences, however, in the number of calories per gram. A gram of carbs or protein contains 4 calories. A gram of fat contains 10 calories.

Edit: After re-reading your post, there might be a couple of ways to interpret what you said.

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I've never been more confused than I am after reading this thread. Oh look pin stripe cookies and coke!
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Actually, that's incorrect. A calorie is a unit of measure. What you're saying is like saying a foot of wire is a different length than a foot of pipe.

There are differences, however, in the number of calories per gram. A gram of carbs or protein contains 4 calories. A gram of fat contains 10 calories.

Edit: After re-reading your post, there might be a couple of ways to interpret what you said.


I was not necessarily referring to the unit of measure, but speaking more to the misconception that counting calories, or reducing calories as a way to lose weight is bad science if you don't take into account as to what the calories are (fat, protein,carb).

A person eating 1500 calories a day of pure carb will not lose weight in a real way (i.e. Long term and actually reducing body fat).

The body still needs the fat and protein building blocks necessary to repair itself. In fact, without satisfying the fat and protein requirement, the person's hunger will likely not be satiated and the end result is a miserable person who isn't losing weight and will not stick with the diet plan and likely gain back any lost weight plus more.

This just speaks to the fallacy of a healthy diet endorsed by popular medicine (i.e. The food pyramid and this whole low fat notion). It's also why I am adamant that the diet and exercise mantra hasn't worked (so much so there's now an obesity epidemic)and won't work. It's bad science.

The public in general is woefully unaware of what is in their food and the "healthy diet" they have been taught is actually quite the opposite.

Things have been wrong for so long, people don't even remember how we got here. Evidence seems to point to it starting in the 1950's.
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I was not necessarily referring to the unit of measure, but speaking more to the misconception that counting calories, or reducing calories as a way to lose weight is bad science if you don't take into account as to what the calories are (fat, protein,carb).

A person eating 1500 calories a day of pure carb will not lose weight in a real way (i.e. Long term and actually reducing body fat).

The body still needs the fat and protein building blocks necessary to repair itself. In fact, without satisfying the fat and protein requirement, the person's hunger will likely not be satiated and the end result is a miserable person who isn't losing weight and will not stick with the diet plan and likely gain back any lost weight plus more.

This just speaks to the fallacy of a healthy diet endorsed by popular medicine (i.e. The food pyramid and this whole low fat notion). It's also why I am adamant that the diet and exercise mantra hasn't worked (so much so there's now an obesity epidemic)and won't work. It's bad science.

The public in general is woefully unaware of what is in their food and the "healthy diet" they have been taught is actually quite the opposite.

Things have been wrong for so long, people don't even remember how we got here. Evidence seems to point to it starting in the 1950's.
I might disagree with you but you have drawn conclusions based on your own research and experience. I respect that. You're not a 100%-er who says one thing is all bad and another thing is all good.
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I might disagree with you but you have drawn conclusions based on your own research and experience. I respect that. You're not a 100%-er who says one thing is all bad and another thing is all good.

Thank you.

There is so much that revolves around this discussion that it's impossible to sum up in a handful of forum posts. It takes like a two or three hour discussion face to face.

Tons of info out there.
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Thank you.

There is so much that revolves around this discussion that it's impossible to sum up in a handful of forum posts. It takes like a two or three hour discussion face to face.

Tons of info out there.
I agree with what somebody else said. Us talking about food is like weekend warriors attempting to do their own electrical work. The Nutritionist's Forum is probably have a good laugh at us right now.
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Those people don't laugh. You have to have a sense of humor to laugh.
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I agree with what somebody else said. Us talking about food is like weekend warriors attempting to do their own electrical work. The Nutritionist's Forum is probably have a good laugh at us right now.

Probably not much discussion taken place. Every nutritionist I've had dealings with had their head so far up their rear.

They're probably each in their own corner with their arms crossed and smug look thinking they know best.

I've brought several studies to a nutritionist I was assigned and had the results of my labs (comprehensive labs that they took 9 vials of blood for) and even then she refused to entertain a discussion and continued to tow the "low fat, moderate protein, moderate carb" party line.

Oh well, God bless the Internet and the wealth of information available at your fingertips. You now have access to the same studies and reports they have and you can make connections with other like minded people anywhere in the world.
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Probably not much discussion taken place. Every nutritionist I've had dealings with had their head so far up their rear.

They're probably each in their own corner with their arms crossed and smug look thinking they know best.

I've brought several studies to a nutritionist I was assigned and had the results of my labs (comprehensive labs that they took 9 vials of blood for) and even then she refused to entertain a discussion and continued to tow the "low fat, moderate protein, moderate carb" party line.

Oh well, God bless the Internet and the wealth of information available at your fingertips. You now have access to the same studies and reports they have and you can make connections with other like minded people anywhere in the world.
Not talking about you but the internet is also where nut jobs and crackpots can validate any screwball idea they like.
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Light and sweet is the only way to drink coffee.
Coffee is just a vehicle for cream and sugar. Nobody would drink it if it wasn't for cream and sugar. People only drink black coffee on a dare or something.
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@99cents, I didn't see if anyone answered your question about labels. Food in the states has labels similar to yours in Canadia. The USDA mandates it.

Most people don't read them. Of those who do, probably half are easily fooled by labelling tricks like making a bag of chips 3.5 servings or etc.
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