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Old 05-28-2019, 08:16 PM   #21
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Humans are omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. Our bodies are designed to eat and digest meat and plants. Anatomically carnivores and herbivores are very different, we fall in the middle.
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Old 05-28-2019, 08:32 PM   #22
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Are there any vegan or plant based dieters on here?



Have a few people in my extended family that have some health issues and was looking for some recipes for good meals. Thought I might try cooking some of it before they come over, to see if I need to make 2 meals!



Most of the recipes seem really weird. Calls for strangely enough, some really processed crap. Like substituting cheese with vegan cheese. Seems with the whole processing phase of it, you kinda undermine the whole idea of eating healthy?



IDK. I hope it works for them and would like to support them while they work on their health.


I have been a vegetarian for 50 years working in construction as an electrician
A simpler diet is healthier for people.
To concerted the history of humans diets and behavior does not have to remain the same.
After all we do not live in trees anymore.



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I have been a vegetarian for 50 years working in construction as an electrician
A simpler diet is healthier for people.
To concerted the history of humans diets and behavior does not have to remain the same.
After all we do not live in trees anymore.



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Sorry but humans never lived in trees. But if it makes you feel better most tree dwellers are vegetarians. Anatomically the human digestive system, teeth, jaws and placement of eyes would classify us as omnivores. I eat vegetables but I also eat meat just like our closest genetic relative the chimpanzee.
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:53 PM   #24
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My aunt in Germany is a very good vegetarian cook when I was there did not miss meat either. I have no problems being a carnivore, or eating vegetarian, but get annoyed when people demand that others be vegan, or vegetarian like they are.
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I don't mind tofu. I like the black bean burgers as well as veggie corn dogs. Plenty of good vegetarian food. I still like filet though.
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One thing that bugs me about vegetarians is that they have so many "fake" non-vegetarian options.


In my book, there is something impure if you eat vegan "bacon", etc. Sort of like the OP mentioned with the processed crap labeled vegan.


Other than the traditional Indian and Asian dishes.

Maybe that is where you should focus?
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Are there any vegan or plant based dieters on here?

Have a few people in my extended family that have some health issues and was looking for some recipes for good meals. Thought I might try cooking some of it before they come over, to see if I need to make 2 meals!

Most of the recipes seem really weird. Calls for strangely enough, some really processed crap. Like substituting cheese with vegan cheese. Seems with the whole processing phase of it, you kinda undermine the whole idea of eating healthy?

IDK. I hope it works for them and would like to support them while they work on their health.
I turned vegetarian about 25 years ago, but have gone on and off seafood a few times due to work and where I lived geographically.

In the last 5 years, the wife and I have transitioned to a purely plant-based diet.

I have always loved to cook, and more so from scratch.

Most vegetarians have a hard time giving up cheese. And rightly so, there is a chemical in cheese that's not far off from opiates.

That being said pizza has always been one of my favourite foods. Though I have bought some faux cheeses, I also make my own that are chewy and melt.

As for faux meats, it's not a new thing. The Buddhists have been making seitan for over a thousand years.

Fortunately I have many good friends who are great vegan cooks. One of them has written seven vegan cookbooks. Another caters and bakes cakes and pastries that are unbelievable.

Some ethnic dishes lend themselves quite well to being plant based. But depending on you tastes, and your families for that matter, it may not be to everyone's liking.

We just hosted my wife's parents for a week. My FIL is a fussy eater and doesn't like a lot of the foods that are our staples. I always joke with him that he's getting his years worth of greens in one week, every time they come to visit.

My wife just got an email him last week, thanking me for how good the food was.

Taco salad, BBQ pizza, teriyaki tempeh stirfry, and mac and cheese were just some of the dinner meals.

We have our own grain mill, so whole grain flour is a staple when I made waffles, pancakes or sourdough whole grain bread while they were here.

You get out of cooking what you put into it, literally.

I would try and keep it simple and uncomplicated.

Pasta with fresh veggies and herbs tossed in olive oil for example. Or spaghetti in a tomato sauce with veggies.

Getting creative with beans and rice with a Mexican flavour, is another easy one.

Spices and herbs are your friends. Knowing how to pair them with foods goes a long way.

I would stay away from processed faux meats. Some are great, some are horrible.

Tofu is okay, but tempeh is better for you. But it has a stronger taste and a different texture.

Get creative. PM me if you need more ideas.
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I just don't get it. If you're vegetarian, why bother with faux meats? If you're vegetarian, the point is not to eat meat. A veggie burger should be dumb but I swear it's on almost every restaurant menu.

There are tons of alternatives. I like white pizza as much as the meat kind. To say nothing of all the Indian dishes that use tons of rice and garbanzos. Nachos are really good too with or without meat. My kids love going to Siti in Raleigh which is Lebanese. A lot of the menu is vegetarian without trying to be. Tomato salads are delicious as are a lot of other would be appetizers.

Due to my job I end up eating out a lot. After about six months a burger and fries just doesn't even appeal. Next is the steak which I got over too. Now I just kind of crave something not so heavy or maybe just different. Frequently I go to the grocery store and buy something there instead of a restaurant.

I'm not vegetarian at all. If I want a burger, that's what I'll order or cook. I'm not hung up on the idea that every meal must include meat. But what's the point? If you are swearing off meat, do it and don't try to justify it some other way or eat faux meat as a substitute. It just seems lame to me. I mean a black bean burger is pretty good tasting but it's a burger, not black bean dip or say on nachos. That would be like me getting sick of burgers and ordering a chicken sandwich instead of something other than two slices of bread with a meat and condiments.


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I just don't get it. If you're vegetarian, why bother with faux meats? If you're vegetarian, the point is not to eat meat. A veggie burger should be dumb but I swear it's on almost every restaurant menu.

There are tons of alternatives. I like white pizza as much as the meat kind. To say nothing of all the Indian dishes that use tons of rice and garbanzos. Nachos are really good too with or without meat. My kids love going to Siti in Raleigh which is Lebanese. A lot of the menu is vegetarian without trying to be. Tomato salads are delicious as are a lot of other would be appetizers.

Due to my job I end up eating out a lot. After about six months a burger and fries just doesn't even appeal. Next is the steak which I got over too. Now I just kind of crave something not so heavy or maybe just different. Frequently I go to the grocery store and buy something there instead of a restaurant.

I'm not vegetarian at all. If I want a burger, that's what I'll order or cook. I'm not hung up on the idea that every meal must include meat. But what's the point? If you are swearing off meat, do it and don't try to justify it some other way or eat faux meat as a substitute. It just seems lame to me. I mean a black bean burger is pretty good tasting but it's a burger, not black bean dip or say on nachos. That would be like me getting sick of burgers and ordering a chicken sandwich instead of something other than two slices of bread with a meat and condiments.


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A friend of mine recommended THIS book to me. when he found out that I was diagnosed as a type 2 diabetic earlier this year. (I get audio books, since I drive a lot between job sites).

Always being a skeptic and to try things moderately- I tried cutting out bread for a week. Try eating bacon and eggs over easy with nothing to dip into the yolks- life was hard all of a sudden- I got kicked out of a few restaurant for licking my plate- it was embarrassing for the wife.

Eventually I tried to push it to two weeks, learned a few things- it seems that all grains are evil to my blood sugars and I feel like going for a nap after having anything with complex carbs in it.

I was told by the dieticians that anything that is packaged/ processed isn't anything useful to my body. Anything that grows in the ground (potatoes/ carrots etc- except for onions and garlic) is just as much of an issue for my blood sugars.

Going back to that book- I didn't sign up for any of the website guru stuff but I have found that I have more energy without any of the grains- I still slip from time to time and have a sandwich- but get sluggish within a half hour or shortly thereafter.

Life with out the no devils cocaine (sugar) is different, but I recently was weighed after a month of being off of grains and found out that I had dropped 23 pounds by not eating grains or complex carbs- I'm still skeptical and waiting for the other shoe to drop with not eating hi carb meals- but so far so good.

Best of luck with the recipes- I do recommend THIS website if you like trying different food combinations- it has an excellent search feature for many things like diabetic stuff.

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I eat the things that eat the plants. I'm a vegetarian by proxy.
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I am trying to eat less meat and dairy simply for the health benefits and to keep the pounds off. Don't recall seeing too many vegetable eaters that are overweight.

Developing a workout routine that you can stick with and actually enjoy is incredibly important too.
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Are there any vegan or plant based dieters on here?

Have a few people in my extended family that have some health issues and was looking for some recipes for good meals. Thought I might try cooking some of it before they come over, to see if I need to make 2 meals!

Most of the recipes seem really weird. Calls for strangely enough, some really processed crap. Like substituting cheese with vegan cheese. Seems with the whole processing phase of it, you kinda undermine the whole idea of eating healthy?

IDK. I hope it works for them and would like to support them while they work on their health.
I was a vegartarian for 35 years and did the vegan thing after my 1st heart atack. FOR ME, the worst thing was people trying to accomadate me with meals that were overly complicated, it is a simple eating choice, keep it that way.

A Vegartarian and/or vegan are the odd ducks out at parties and resturants they made that choice, they should be willing to accept that choice and the consequences that come with it. I did, I was not an arrogant high and mighty I am better than you because I decided to have limited my eating choices.
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I am trying to eat less meat and dairy simply for the health benefits and to keep the pounds off. Don't recall seeing too many vegetable eaters that are overweight.

Developing a workout routine that you can stick with and actually enjoy is incredibly important too.
I have known several porkers that are vegetarian.

I went from vegetarian to eating better cit the F' out of sugar, rice potatos and bread dropped 30 pounds and off Cholesterol and blood pressure meds.

Though I never had high BP or Cholesterol it was given as proactive due to a heart condition. With weight loss, the BP fell too low 90/58.
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One thing that bugs me about vegetarians is that they have so many "fake" non-vegetarian options.


In my book, there is something impure if you eat vegan "bacon", etc. Sort of like the OP mentioned with the processed crap labeled vegan.


Other than the traditional Indian and Asian dishes.

Maybe that is where you should focus?
I never went for that crap, packed full of unhealthy ingredients.
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I eat the things that eat the plants. I'm a vegetarian by proxy.
While I eat seafod and chicken I identify as a vegan so by modern culture Therefore I am.
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Yeah if it's for health reasons then strict vegan is probably even worse...

Just sticking to whole foods and healthy, easy to digest options would be a better way to go about it.
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