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 JBoen 12-09-2016 11:32 PM

3 phase to a single phase

Hi electricians ;)

I have a genset 12.000watt 3phase, and i have one compressor 2.200watt 3phase, 2 houses 4000watt single phase each.
So im gonna provide power to those 3 items, problem is with my compressor, do i have to buy an inverter? (im not sure what its called) but its to invert 3phase to single phase. And after its inverted to a single phase, is it still 2.200watt?

Thank you [emoji1]

 papaotis 12-09-2016 11:37 PM

what is 2.200watt? you mean 2 200watt circuits?sorry, just realized the puncuation is my problem.

 JBoen 12-09-2016 11:43 PM

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 Originally Posted by papaotis (Post 3455586) what is 2.200watt? you mean 2 200watt circuits?
I mean a 2200watt power consumption for a compressor.

Im doing a job to help him configure hoe to utilize with his current genset.

 papaotis 12-09-2016 11:43 PM

you should really get an electrician for this, but no, you dont need in inverter for the compressor maybe for the other things, but dont know your wiring methods.

 backstay 12-09-2016 11:44 PM

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 Originally Posted by JBoen (Post 3455562) Hi electricians ;) I have a genset 12.000watt 3phase, and i have one compressor 2.200watt 3phase, 2 houses 4000watt single phase each. So im gonna provide power to those 3 items, problem is with my compressor, do i have to buy an inverter? (im not sure what its called) but its to invert 3phase to single phase. And after its inverted to a single phase, is it still 2.200watt? Thank you [emoji1]
We are having trouble with your English. Is 12.000watt = 12kW(kilowatt)? We would also need to know if your gen set has a neutral and voltages. If you have a neutral, then you don't need to convert anything. We run single phase loads off two phases all the time.

 five.five-six 12-09-2016 11:44 PM

Oh dear, where do I start?

I think you should hire an electrician.

He will need nameplates on your genset and compressors.

 JBoen 12-09-2016 11:46 PM

It wouldnt be a problem if he bought a bigger capacity genset, ild say 20kwatt is the minimum.

Sent from my MI 5

 JBoen 12-09-2016 11:50 PM

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 Originally Posted by five.five-six (Post 3455626) Oh dear, where do I start? I think you should hire an electrician. He will need nameplates on your genset and compressors.
I see i thought it will be just an inverter [emoji1]

 five.five-six 12-09-2016 11:54 PM

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 Originally Posted by JBoen (Post 3455650) I see i thought it will be just an inverter [emoji1]
If anything, you will need a transformer. But you haven't given enough 411 for us to know. Inverters are for converting DC to AC, generaly speaking.

 dmxtothemax 12-10-2016 12:13 AM

QUOTE - And after its inverted to a single phase, - QUOTE.

It is not necessary to convert 3 phase to single phase.
Single phase can be obtained by running from any of the three phases to neutral.
So the question is does your genny have a neutral ?
some do some don't.
If it does not ?
Then you can use a transformer.

 JBoen 12-10-2016 12:32 AM

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 Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 3455698) QUOTE - And after its inverted to a single phase, - QUOTE. It is not necessary to convert 3 phase to single phase. Single phase can be obtained by running from any of the three phases to neutral. So the question is does your genny have a neutral ? some do some don't. If it does not ? Then you can use a transformer.
The genset capacity is too small, 12000watt / 3 = 4000watt each phase. His 2 stores are 5000watts each, everytime turning on the compressor, genset breaker will be down. What kind of transformer do i need? I never handle a transformer before but would like to learn [emoji1]

 backstay 12-10-2016 12:44 AM

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 Originally Posted by JBoen (Post 3455738) The genset capacity is too small, 12000watt / 3 = 4000watt each phase. His 2 stores are 5000watts each, everytime turning on the compressor, genset breaker will be down. What kind of transformer do i need? I never handle a transformer before but would like to learn [emoji1]
Not correct.

 JBoen 12-10-2016 01:15 AM

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 Originally Posted by backstay (Post 3455754) Not correct.
Which part is not correct?

 frenchelectrican 12-10-2016 02:37 AM

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 Originally Posted by JBoen (Post 3455562) Hi electricians ;) I have a genset 12.000watt 3phase, and i have one compressor 2.200watt 3phase, 2 houses 4000watt single phase each. So im gonna provide power to those 3 items, problem is with my compressor, do i have to buy an inverter? (im not sure what its called) but its to invert 3phase to single phase. And after its inverted to a single phase, is it still 2.200watt? Thank you [emoji1]
It depending on the generator itself .,,

Did the generator do come with netural in there ??

I know you mention compressor which it run on three phase but what voltage ? 240 or 415 volts or other voltage ?

What kind of load it is useing in the house ?

Keep in your mind the biggest issue with any generator is motor start up that what can cause pretty serious load voltage drop when the motor start up. it dont matter if single or three phase.
The starting watts or Kva rating that do count.

I really recomoned that you get your electrician which they are famiuair to your area.

Personally I think the generator size is on small side if you used the load as you posted.

 JBoen 12-10-2016 04:05 AM

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 Originally Posted by frenchelectrican (Post 3455834) It depending on the generator itself .,, Did the generator do come with netural in there ?? I know you mention compressor which it run on three phase but what voltage ? 240 or 415 volts or other voltage ? What kind of load it is useing in the house ? Keep in your mind the biggest issue with any generator is motor start up that what can cause pretty serious load voltage drop when the motor start up. it dont matter if single or three phase. The starting watts or Kva rating that do count. I really recomoned that you get your electrician which they are famiuair to your area. They can help you to the proper connection on the generator. Personally I think the generator size is on small side if you used the load as you posted.
Yes, it has a R S T N terminal. The compressor requires 380 volt.

Its a car tire workshop. I dont know whats in there. But this is what i have tried

From genset
RSTN to compressor
RN to workshop 1
SN to workshop 2

Breaker down

If genset only powers compressor, it will be fine. I think bigger kva genset will help, but i need to know if i can transform the 3 phase compressor to a single phase, so that the genset will be enough for these loads. [emoji1]

Sent from my MI 5

 JBoen 12-10-2016 04:06 AM

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 Originally Posted by frenchelectrican (Post 3455834) It depending on the generator itself .,, Did the generator do come with netural in there ?? I know you mention compressor which it run on three phase but what voltage ? 240 or 415 volts or other voltage ? What kind of load it is useing in the house ? Keep in your mind the biggest issue with any generator is motor start up that what can cause pretty serious load voltage drop when the motor start up. it dont matter if single or three phase. The starting watts or Kva rating that do count. I really recomoned that you get your electrician which they are famiuair to your area. They can help you to the proper connection on the generator. Personally I think the generator size is on small side if you used the load as you posted.
Oh btw the compressor requires 18A to run

 Southeast Power 12-10-2016 06:49 AM

We have always found that changing the motor, especially a small under 5hp one, is way more economical and efficient than bringing in a phase converter.

kW is kW.
If you are thinking of changing the alternator to a single phase configuration, you are going to lose about 40% if its capacity if I remember correctly.

 JBoen 12-10-2016 11:51 AM

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 Originally Posted by Suncoast Power (Post 3456010) We have always found that changing the motor, especially a small under 5hp one, is way more economical and efficient than bringing in a phase converter. kW is kW. If you are thinking of changing the alternator to a single phase configuration, you are going to lose about 40% if its capacity if I remember correctly.
Do you mean losing 40% of the power rating?

 micromind 12-10-2016 12:15 PM

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 Originally Posted by JBoen (Post 3455738) The genset capacity is too small, 12000watt / 3 = 4000watt each phase. His 2 stores are 5000watts each, everytime turning on the compressor, genset breaker will be down. What kind of transformer do i need? I never handle a transformer before but would like to learn [emoji1]
A transformer will not solve the problem, the generator is too small. It cannot handle all 3 loads at the same time.

If the compressor is 18 amps at 380 volts 3 phase then it will take almost all of the capacity of the generator. There is not enough left for the building loads.

 Southeast Power 12-10-2016 01:39 PM

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 Originally Posted by JBoen (Post 3456602) Do you mean losing 40% of the power rating?
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