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Old 02-24-2017, 08:16 PM   #1
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Hi everyone!

I'm fairly new here and like the industry of electronics/electrician field, etc, but know very little about the overall subject. I am currently writing a paper on the *residential* electrician industry/electrical work and the overall cost of services, and the issues within the industry today... These questions are probably not what you would expect for a research paper but trying to get as much clarity as possible.

... any info/input would be extremely helpful! Thank you very much for all of your answers and sorry for the long list of questions!

1) What overall service do you like doing the least in the residential electrician field and why?

2) If you had to pick just one service: What specific residential service costs the most money for a home owner, requires the most expertise/requires immediate attention, but doesn't take a huge amount of effort/time for the electrician to fix/install?

3) What are the top 3 daily frustrations of an electrician? What is number 1 frustration and why?

4) What trends are currently occurring within the electrician field?

5) What are electricians most afraid of relating to their work? (Outside of being electrocuted!)

Thank you very much!!
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I'm too lazy to answer all the questions, but 1 of things I like least is
working in houses crowded with junk. Doesn't get better if they smell
like cat piss.
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Welcome to ET

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... any info/input would be extremely helpful! Thank you very much for all of your answers and sorry for the long list of questions!
yoookay....

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1) What overall service do you like doing the least in the residential electrician field and why?
Anywhere DIYer's have not been first

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2) If you had to pick just one service: What specific residential service costs the most money for a home owner, requires the most expertise/requires immediate attention, but doesn't take a huge amount of effort/time for the electrician to fix/install?
Service entrance upgrades

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3) What are the top 3 daily frustrations of an electrician? What is number 1 frustration and why?
DIY'ers , Maintenance men , HI's , especially HI's

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4) What trends are currently occurring within the electrician field?
Alt energy , love it or hate it....

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5) What are electricians most afraid of relating to their work? (Outside of being electrocuted!)
Litigation...

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What do you mean by HI's... like someone saying hello?
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Home Inspectors.
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Are there other names for service entrance upgrades?
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"Heavy-ups."
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[QUOTE=jrfhope83;3702257]Hi everyone!

I'm fairly new here and like the industry of electronics/electrician field, etc, but know very little about the overall subject. I am currently writing a paper on the *residential* electrician industry/electrical work and the overall cost of services, and the issues within the industry today... These questions are probably not what you would expect for a research paper but trying to get as much clarity as possible.

... any info/input would be extremely helpful! Thank you very much for all of your answers and sorry for the long list of questions!

1) What overall service do you like doing the least in the residential electrician field and why?

(1) I don't do residential work any more. When I did, residential light fixtures were a pain.

2) If you had to pick just one service: What specific residential service costs the most money for a home owner, requires the most expertise/requires immediate attention, but doesn't take a huge amount of effort/time for the electrician to fix/install?

(2) Service change.

3) What are the top 3 daily frustrations of an electrician? What is number 1 frustration and why?

(3) These apply to industrial service:
a. Lack of equipment documentation
b. Customer comment/ action: "We need it fixed now, but we can't shut it
down for repair."
c. Trying to find repair parts for obsolete equipment.


4) What trends are currently occurring within the electrician field?

(4) Skill set and workmanship are largely a thing of the past.

5) What are electricians most afraid of relating to their work? (Outside of being electrocuted!)

(5) Causing injury to someone else.

Thank you very much!![/QUO



1) I don't do residential work any more. When I did, residential light fixtures were a pain.

(2) Service change.

(3) These apply to industrial service:
a. Lack of equipment documentation
b. Customer comment/ action: "We need it fixed now, but we can't shut it
down for repair."
c. Trying to find repair parts for obsolete equipment.

(4) Skill set and workmanship are largely a thing of the past.

(5) Causing injury to someone else.
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1. Landscape lighting. I hate kneeling and bending over all day in the dirt. Digging and all that crap. Plus, its hard to tell what the lights are gonna look like at night, so you end up coming back to adjust things.

2. Service upgrades

3a. Changing plans/Indecisive customers
3b. Not having the correct part(s)
3c. Getting paid on time

4. Solar and Generators are big in my area.

5. Getting sued, and not having enough work
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Often means panel change.
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Sorry for beating the drum here... are "service entrance upgrades" the same as "service change"?
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I think that you have the same view I had when first getting into the industry. It is very common to assume that electricians primarily work in residential applications. The industry is very large with a huge amount of variety in the type of work done. The answers to some of your questions will depend largely on the area of the industry of the people you are asking. These are the best answers I can give generally for the industry as I see it:

1. Dealing with people that see you as a net loss/unscrupulous criminal walking in the door.

2. This is hard to nail down. Everything (I mean everything) is based on material and labor. Labor is always hourly. The more expensive the material and the longer it takes increases the cost. No offense, but the question is somewhat flawed. I don't know many electricians that bill differently for different tasks, but I suppose it happens. Other than that, emergency calls cost the most due to premium time charges.

3. From most frustrating downward:
a. Unrealistic customer expectations.
b. Lack of information to perform the work.
c. Logistical/ supply problems.
This is a larger issue but filters down to literally everything else- a bad economy.

4. Specialization/ division of labor, organizational model development (application of lean methodology), technological changes (smart building systems, solar, etc).

5. The economy. It's all about the money. No work, no money. Less work, less money. More competition from untrained/unqualified hacks. When the food runs out on the raft, the fangs come out.

Thanks for taking the time to ask the guys in the trenches.
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Yes and no.

A service change could just be changing out a damaged panel for a repair and not upgrading the amperage or adding a panel that holds more breakers.

An upgrade is just that, putting in a larger panel and associated equipment that handles more amperage.
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My number 1 fustration is that I got forced to become Rushing. I used to be italian until I became an electrician now everything is a fkn rush. Always rushing
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Hi everyone!

I'm fairly new here and like the industry of electronics/electrician field, etc, but know very little about the overall subject. I am currently writing a paper on the *residential* electrician industry/electrical work and the overall cost of services, and the issues within the industry today... These questions are probably not what you would expect for a research paper but trying to get as much clarity as possible.

... any info/input would be extremely helpful! Thank you very much for all of your answers and sorry for the long list of questions!
Hi, good luck with you paper. How old are you?

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1) What overall service do you like doing the least in the residential electrician field and why?
I'm not big on residential in the first place but don't care for working in dirty or worse conditions.

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2) If you had to pick just one service: What specific residential service costs the most money for a home owner, requires the most expertise/requires immediate attention, but doesn't take a huge amount of effort/time for the electrician to fix/install?
A service upgrade costs the most of basic repair items and needs quick response if the current panel is overloaded or in need of repair due to damaged internal problems .

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3) What are the top 3 daily frustrations of an electrician? What is number 1 frustration and why?
Impatient and or hovering homeowners. DIYers that start a project they are clueless about and need you to finish up. Work started by handymen that should have stayed in polishing shoes. It's never fun to clean up a mess you didn't create.

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LED lighting upgrades.

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Thank you very much!!
Not getting paid, liability problems beyond their control, running out of work for a time.
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Thanks everyone for your answers!... so basically, at the end of the day, most (if not all) residential electricians would like service entrance upgrade work more than anything else... Would that be fair to say?
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Thanks everyone for your answers!... so basically, at the end of the day, most (if not all) residential electricians would like service entrance upgrade work more than anything else... Would that be fair to say?
We're a diverse group and that makes generalizing difficult. Service
upgrades are profitable but they can also be physically demanding,
stressful, and subject to weather. So whether this is desired
depends on the size of the crew, whether the guy choosing the jobs
will be doing the jobs, age/condition of the electrician especially if
he's working alone, etc. etc..
Sometimes a service change means working on a roof top. If that
roof is steep, metal, and covered with snow......well, you get the
picture. Sometimes a nice warm bathroom reno is just what one
wants.
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I'm fairly new here and like the industry of electronics/electrician field, etc, but know very little about the overall subject. I am currently writing a paper on the *residential* electrician industry/electrical work and the overall cost of services, and the issues within the industry today... These questions are probably not what you would expect for a research paper but trying to get as much clarity as possible.



... any info/input would be extremely helpful! Thank you very much for all of your answers and sorry for the long list of questions!



1) What overall service do you like doing the least in the residential electrician field and why?



2) If you had to pick just one service: What specific residential service costs the most money for a home owner, requires the most expertise/requires immediate attention, but doesn't take a huge amount of effort/time for the electrician to fix/install?



3) What are the top 3 daily frustrations of an electrician? What is number 1 frustration and why?



4) What trends are currently occurring within the electrician field?



5) What are electricians most afraid of relating to their work? (Outside of being electrocuted!)



Thank you very much!!


1) any work that requires going swimming in the attic or crawl space

2) Service upgrades / panel changes

3)a: indecisive customers
3)b: filthy / crowded / smelly work environment
3)c: by far the worst is getting called in to fix someone else's half-ass work ( this could also be one of my favorite things to do because it is so easy to leave a good impression and this could lead to more profitable work)

4) Homeowners are tending to look into ways to save a buck on their energy costs and so they are investing in LED lighting, solar and small scale wind power generation, and also generator installs for when the power does go out.

5) I'm most afraid of causing property damage and / or injury to someone else in the residential market anyways. In the commercial and industrial markets the number one fear is arc flash.


If you are looking into entering the trade, you are doing the research right, too many guys I know jumped in because they thought electricians had a cush job. That ain't the case my friend! There simply isn't a building trade that is easy. Check out some of the stats on how many electricians are injured in the U.S. on a daily basis, how many leave the trade for retirement every year and how many are entering the trade every year. That aught to give you some good information to put into your report.


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