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Old 12-18-2012, 10:28 PM   #21
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first full week of piece pay. So far so good. I was unfortunately pulled off a few times and put back on a couple hourly projects. Worked about 50 hours and should bring home about $1600. I can see how it can be good or bad. We are facing some near impossible deadlines in the next several weeks and we just got rid of 2 people (although they were worthless and added nothing but problems IMO) For the time being, I think I'll be better off,,,I would be working long hours regardless, might as well make some more money.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:44 PM   #22
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first full week of piece pay. So far so good. I was unfortunately pulled off a few times and put back on a couple hourly projects. Worked about 50 hours and should bring home about $1600. I can see how it can be good or bad. We are facing some near impossible deadlines in the next several weeks and we just got rid of 2 people (although they were worthless and added nothing but problems IMO) For the time being, I think I'll be better off,,,I would be working long hours regardless, might as well make some more money.
I have considered piece working some of my guys, it would bring up their pay and bump my production up a little also. I did this piece work myself "back in the day" and I made great money. My crew could rough in 4 units a day easily and I was making around $400 per unit. I had a 4 man crew with 2 lead men and 2 good helpers. Each would do about2 units per day (rough in). It averaged out at about $400per crew a day or so in my pocket per day. This was about ten yrs. ago when you could almost name your price here. I'm not sure if you could get that price anymore but when I was just getting started, that was good money..
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.... I still think I can take advantage of the situation.
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Hopefully someday I'll find somewhere that will pay me what I'm worth,....

Which is it?
Are you taking advantage of the situation or are you being taken advantage of?
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:50 AM   #24
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Which is it?
Are you taking advantage of the situation or are you being taken advantage of?
I make the best out of any situation. Unfortunately I am not wealthy, so I am unable to quit my job on the basis of not getting paid what I am worth. So far I have been able to make piece pay work out in my favor. I have considered trying to get in the Union,,but I have many friends(in the union) that are advising against it.
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Piece work?

Screw that.

I have to much knowledge and training to be a production robot.
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I guess as a Small business owner many times I get paid piece work so if the terms are right for the OP then go for it.

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I guess as a Small business owner many times I get paid piece work
For sure it you do.

But that goes back to the risk / reward issue. As a business owner you have to take it on the chin if the job goes south, but if the job goes well you get to go south for vacation.
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True, very true. We did a GFCI swap out this past summer and I sold them on us as a company vs the competition. We were $5+9/per device more and it worked well. Except it took 90 days to get paid when the contract terms were 30 days. I put the profit aside for a trip south next summer. I think I need some more though. Kids are expensive.

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i wouldn't wire a kitchen for 225.00
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But that goes back to the risk / reward issue. As a business owner you have to take it on the chin if the job goes south, but if the job goes well you get to go south for vacation.
That's a good one Bob.

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Wow that's cheap, the last apartments I rewired with open 1st floor and attic I charged 3k a piece for.
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2 bedroom, start to finish, inspection ready,,4 hours this morning. $225
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Been on those projects where all you hear is "We are drywalling tomorrow". Good luck.
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Been on those projects where all you hear is "We are drywalling tomorrow". Good luck.
Nothing worse than that.. things can sit for days and all of a sudden the drywall is going up tomorrow..
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me and three other guys have till January 4th to complete the 18 apartments on the floor we are on. So far there are 4 that are inspection ready. I f we weren't getting piece pay, we would still have until the 4th to get the floor done. we are the last trade on the floor so there shouldn't be any issues of damage by other trades or being called back because our stuff is in the way. For those who say they wouldn't do anything like this for the price,,,,,,good for you for having the luxury of that choice. The options for me right now are 1.decide that I have too much knowledge and talent to work for piece pay or hourly,,hopefully find a company willing to pay for my knowledge and experience before the mortgage gets too far behind. 2..decide I don't want peice pay and do the the same amount of work to make the deadline for less money. 3..do piece pay, complete the deadline and make more money doing it. I am not too proud to do what is required to make a deadline. If anyone wants to give me $50 an hour to come get s**t done efficiently,effectively and most important correctly,,,just let me know.
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Got the news today that we are gonna be starting piece work. I'm guessing the owner of my company is tired of people milking the clock and not producing. I'm fine with it. I am confident I can get my money's worth out of the deal. I am also hoping it will bring to light some of the dead weight of the company. We are roughing in a complex with 2,3,and 4 bedroom apartments,,pretty spec. $225 for a 2 bed,$325 for a 3 bed, and $425 for the 4 bed. No sharing,,,,I can do 2 2beds in a good day no problem. They will be properly marked out and that is it,,,,,box drill, wire, and make up, once inspection ready, it is signed off on. Oh, we have an hourly guy that is responsible for bring up material,fire-foam,stud guards and clean up. Also come trim out,,we'll trim out what we roughed in. Just thought I would share,,I'm excited.
and what do you get to trim out? half the rough in?

i'll do all the 4 bedrooms, thanks... almost twice the money,
and two 2 bedrooms is two kitchens for about the same money....

i'll wire two bedrooms instead of a kitchen any day.

or, looking at it this way, i'll wire 4 bedrooms and a kitchen, for $425
and you wire 4 bedrooms and two kitchens, for $450.

so you are wiring kitchens for $25 sometimes?

i'll give you $15 a cable to terminate CAT 6, i have 400 to do in a week.......
you can have all of them, if you want... that is $6,000... call it two weeks work?
you get paid after i certify them.

i remember the tract battle cry....

"outta my way, asshole, i'm piecing this".

enjoy the honeymoon... the next one will only be $390 for a
four bedroom......

the contractor will get the same money, but you won't.

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I'm not sure if this thread is a serious thread.

Do folks really work like this or is this some sort of forum roleplaying?

If not I can see the contractor dropping the amount paid per piece rather quickly when he realizes all the rockets are willing to do *anything* for less...vicious cycle gets created where the amount you make gets less and the amount of backstabbing and effort becomes greater.
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Piece work is for the home depot parking lot........, we're craftsmen, right? There's no money in residential new construction because of things such as this. As long as people are willing to slit each others throats there will be contractors pulling this crap. Shop hard for a different contractor, get out of this downward spiral.
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rates for trim out are $25 less than the rough in. I understand that there are jobs and employers out there that pay very well to hire "craftsman",,,but I am not finding them. The owner of the company I work for is a pretty nice guy. I've heard the term "rocket" a couple of times,,,not really sure what it means, but I am assuming it is someone who is not afraid to bust ass and make those that feel entitled look like lazy men.I have 4 friends that are union,,, they have worked 9 months in the last 2 years,,,,,why would I want that? When I took this job, I agreed to do the job that needs to be done for the wage being offered. I am not the type to sloth around and not do my best because I feel entitled to more money. In fact,, I can't stand that type of thinking. Too many guys who think they are so priceless that it makes them completely worthless.
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Rockiron, I get where you're coming from, work is work, money is money, and we all do what we gotta if we want to make more if it.

But it's still a very legitimate gripe that many markets are in a race to the bottom to get more for less. It has nothing to do with being "entitled" and everything to do with the fact that it drives down wages for all the workers in that field. It's why most guys agree it's so hard to make any money on new residential construction.

That being said, if I was in your shoes, and couldn't find better work, you can believed I'd be busting ass at piece-work, too.
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