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Old 07-23-2014, 08:42 AM   #1
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How do you guys deal with them? On the phone too much, ask 'why' when you ask them to do something, if you're not around they don't work as hard.

I've had talks before where I point out that they need to change and then they do, but only for a day or two. Newer apprentices also think they're Gods gift to men.

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How do you guys deal with them? On the phone too much, ask 'why' when you ask them to do something, if you're not around they don't work as hard.

I've had talks before where I point out that they need to change and then they do, but only for a day or two. Newer apprentices also think they're Gods gift to men.
Fire them, if they're not interested in the electrical trade, they will never work hard for you.
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Aegis, being in Ontario, there are plenty of young people wanting apprenticeships, and not enough to go around. If you don't like who ya got, pick another one!
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Just fire them, we've been through 7-8 IN A ROW now that were garbage! I've finally got one now that's showing some initiative! Finally!
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Apprentices with bad attitudes usually become laborers around here. Don't put up with it. Phone stays in the truck except break and lunch. Lay out a reasonable amount of work and impose consequences f it is not complete on time. Let them know there is a line around the block of guys who will gladly take their place if they can't handle it.
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When apprentices are being lazy and not doing their job we find a shovel in their hands for a few weeks either gets them into shape or they quit.

To bad it doesn't always work.
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Fire them. I'm not here to motivate you to work hard, that should come from within and this isn't the marine corps.

I had one that was a "friend" and he walked all over me every chance he got. It got ugly at times and he ended up getting fired. Better off.

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Fire them. I'm not here to motivate you to work hard, that should come from within and this isn't the marine corps. I had one that was a "friend" and he walked all over me every chance he got. It got ugly at times and he ended up getting fired. Better off. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using electriciantalk.com mobile app
This is kind of where I am, he's kind of a friend. I'm an employee of the company and he's an apprentice. I know it's business and we've had talks about his attitude, he's slooowwwwly changing but it takes to much energy out of me to motivate him. I'll just talk to the boss and let another electrician have him.
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Back to the shop, or send him home.
I'm like the black widow of our division. Last stop is my job.
And honestly I'm easy going and not a whip cracker. I just expect an honest effort. Otherwise I don't need ya.
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This is kind of where I am, he's kind of a friend. I'm an employee of the company and he's an apprentice. I know it's business and we've had talks about his attitude, he's slooowwwwly changing but it takes to much energy out of me to motivate him. I'll just talk to the boss and let another electrician have him.
There are no friends in business. Fire his azz.

And the second part....unless you want that "other electrician" to hate you forever, don't do it. Get that deadwood out of the company altogether. NEVER pass off your "garbage" to another co-worker.
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And the second part....unless you want that "other electrician" to hate you forever, don't do it. Get that deadwood out of the company altogether. NEVER pass off your "garbage" to another co-worker.
sometimes that's true. OTOH, sometimes your coworkers are also friends, and you can give them a hint. "Hey, I'm sending <loser> over to you. If you can't whip him into shape, nobody can, know what I mean ? (nod, nod, wink wink)
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Lock them in the porta-john for a day and then fire them.

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I had to fire my wifes cousin. It kinda sucked but he put himself in the position. I finding its hard to find someone reliable and that wants to work and not make more than me.
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I just completed my first year of apprenticeship, so take my comments for what they're worth...

When I am working with guys who obviously don't want to work or apply themselves, I start talking about the opportunities they have right in front of them if they just hustled and tried. For example, I got "Outstanding first year apprentice" from the IEC for having the highest grade in the class. Company handed me a $600 check and my Superintendent called me personally to let me know how impressed they are with my work ethic, quality of work I'm putting out, and my grades. Not only that, but they want to make a plan for me to prepare to be a project manager, superintendent, etc after I get my license.

Good things can happen when you bust your ass.
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I Not only that, but they want to make a plan for me to prepare to be a project manager, superintendent, etc after I get my license.

Good things can happen when you bust your ass.
Glad to see someone that is going to excel because they have the right attitude, brains and ethics.

Just don't let them rush you up the corporate ladder too fast, I've seen it destroy outstanding people. There is too much that will never be in the books, that can only come with experience and observation. "ya don't want to end up being a bottle rocket".
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We just let a kid go for this exact reason.

He needed a lot of coaching, which isn't necessarily terrible, as long as you can learn and take initiative. But what finally burned it for me was he had a job to disconnect a couple dozen 750's. Every single thing we were doing would ultimately depend on him finishing that job. At one point, I look up and he's off somewhere standing there with his hands in his pockets, just watching a guy work.

Hopped up on the ladder and he wasn't even half done with the task he'd been given. I didn't say anything, finished it for him and at the end of that outage I voiced my opinion that he needed to be let go. If I have to do your job for you, you are not necessary.

Someone who needs their hand held is dead-weight, and I can only hope firing them opens their eyes.
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Never hire/recommend friends or family to your workplace. Always ends up bad.

Screw up apprentices, explain what you want done, verify that they know how it is to be done, explain the deadline for when it has to be done. Follow-up and check the work at about the halfway mark, not happy have a loud firm "performance review" and walk away. Leave, come later and take the worst slacker for your more "fun" tasks.

Every time you see one on the phone, go right upto them and start a conversation about what needs to be done or something work related. Or set a company policy and meeting that phones are only to be used at breaktimes unless it is an emergency then start the writeups and door closings.
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You can't teach someone not to be lazy or not to use his phone on the job. The questions I welcome if they're halfways intelligent.
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How do you guys deal with them? On the phone too much, ask 'why' when you ask them to do something, if you're not around they don't work as hard.

I've had talks before where I point out that they need to change and then they do, but only for a day or two. Newer apprentices also think they're Gods gift to men.
For starters, they are indeed gods gift to man, they are learning to be just that, electricians. You kind of have to get to their level first and work on from that. Keep them busy or, if not feeling like working teach them code which bores them so much they have to get moving. Anything. Keep them up high or using both hands which gets them off their phone. And, at times don't be afraid to be firm, Respect them, but be firm if they slack off more than they should.
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