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Old 07-23-2014, 09:21 PM   #21
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Lock them in the porta-john for a day and then fire them.

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I was working on a large project where a man sitting in a porter potty got clipped by a truck and turned on it's back! Luckily it was cleaned earlier that day...needless to say he left early that day.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:21 PM   #22
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Never hire/recommend friends or family to your workplace. Always ends up bad.

Screw up apprentices, explain what you want done, verify that they know how it is to be done, explain the deadline for when it has to be done. Follow-up and check the work at about the halfway mark, not happy have a loud firm "performance review" and walk away. Leave, come later and take the worst slacker for your more "fun" tasks.

Every time you see one on the phone, go right upto them and start a conversation about what needs to be done or something work related. Or set a company policy and meeting that phones are only to be used at breaktimes unless it is an emergency then start the writeups and door closings.
Id be more open. It just turns into "the guy starts bugging me every time I touch my phone". Best to establish a policy that phones can only be used during an emergency for safety reasons. Work place rules bypass a lot of the "he has beef" type deals. They keep everyone in line and no can say they are being treated differently because of "workplace rules".
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Id be more open. It just turns into "the guy starts bugging me every time I touch my phone". Best to establish a policy that phones can only be used during an emergency for safety reasons. Work place rules bypass a lot of the "he has beef" type deals. They keep everyone in line and no can say they are being treated differently because of "workplace rules".
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Old 07-24-2014, 03:28 AM   #24
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i don't even bring my personal phone to work. I have a work phone that I can use to call people for work stuff. Nothing that happens on the personal phone can't wait until the day is over.

the only thing i wish is that my work phone had a good camera and flash
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They doesnt seem to truly enjoy their job i guess and dont see also the chance they have to be apprentice. I know alot of guys here in Quebec, Canada that are very pasionned about doing this job but cant find anything.

I would simply fired them.
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I hope i'm an apprentice with a good attitude. been diggin clay in colorado, it's really hard but I keep trying
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I hope i'm an apprentice with a good attitude. been diggin clay in colorado, it's really hard but I keep trying
Try using a pick to break up the ground first. Where at in Colorado?
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Try using a pick to break up the ground first. Where at in Colorado?
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Let them know there is a line around the block of guys who will gladly take their place if they can't handle it.
Reminds me of the time my boss "The Dictator" was giving a motivational butt chewing to the crew because our production numbers were lagging.

He said " If you don't want to do this job, there are guys lined up at the door to take your place!"

So I got up from my desk, walked to the door, opened it and looked around and said "This door?"

The boss was not amused
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I've got an apprentice who like to drag his feet and every time I go to check on him, he's got a smoke in his mouth.
We were wiring a house and he was doing some shotty work.
His excuse? "I'm just an apprentice, I don't need to know this stuff, and should have a journey man behind my back"
He ended up being sent home after that.
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I've got an apprentice who like to drag his feet and every time I go to check on him, he's got a smoke in his mouth.
We were wiring a house and he was doing some shotty work.
His excuse? "I'm just an apprentice, I don't need to know this stuff, and should have a journey man behind my back"
He ended up being sent home after that.
how long has he been doing this job? sounds like a lack of training.
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Old 07-26-2014, 03:46 PM   #32
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I've got an apprentice who like to drag his feet and every time I go to check on him, he's got a smoke in his mouth.
We were wiring a house and he was doing some shotty work.
His excuse? "I'm just an apprentice, I don't need to know this stuff, and should have a journey man behind my back"
He ended up being sent home after that.
He is lucky he didn't get that cigarette smacked out of his mouth!
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how long has he been doing this job? sounds like a lack of training.
Even with a lack of training, the attitude is the prooblem here.
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Some just don't want to learn or just don't know what's going on.
Just want to be done by 4 and get their check.

I'll show or tell him something at least 3 times, and still messes it up.
Was doing some PVC work, had my brand new can of glue on the bench were I was making up nipples. Went back to glue some more and couldn't find it.
My apprentice was standing there doing something and the glue was at his feet, spilled the whole can and he didn't even notice until I got after him about it. We were about 2 1/2 hours from town and that was the only can
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How do you guys deal with them? On the phone too much, ask 'why' when you ask them to do something, if you're not around they don't work as hard. I've had talks before where I point out that they need to change and then they do, but only for a day or two. Newer apprentices also think they're Gods gift to men.
We have students in our class that act the same way. Pretty much not worth a pinch of monkey s***. Lazy and very disrespectful. Too bad you can't fire students.
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All too often apprentice s are used as a source of cheap labor instead of being views as students. I always wonder why a journeyman would expect top notch and fast work from a lone apprentice. It is possible that they really don't know just how poor they are perfotming.

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All too often apprentice s are used as a source of cheap labor instead of being views as students. I always wonder why a journeyman would expect top notch and fast work from a lone apprentice. It is possible that they really don't know just how poor they are performing.
No argument. But it's not difficult to differentiate between an unskilled, enthusiastic, hardworking apprentice and an unskilled, uninterested, lazy apprentice.
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I got one who says "electrical is eeeeasy!! It's for Monkeys." (He used to be in HVAC)

I respond by saying "Then why do you keep screwing everything up?"
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I have a strong work ethic
Partially from playing ball my whole life
Partially from my old man
I find it's all the young appys with there phones and non shalant additudes
I'm not here to baby sit or clean up after them
Call him out on it ride me hard make the little puke cry. That's how it was when I was a Rookie once u proved itself u'd gain respect from the team. Aside from a smack to the head which will get u in trouble in my town.
If they don't want to learn that's fine
Half of them will drop trade school
A few will grow up
And a few May end up getting hung up
Either way u've got ur ticket
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