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Old 09-28-2012, 05:09 PM   #21
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We have been looking for some one with an electrical back ground for two years . We are running one shift short. We had Three people retire close together and we have replaced two of them but the two that we hired have a lot to learn. I guesse its just the area that we are in because it seems we have have a shortage of qulified people right now. We only require some on the job training are school you dont have to be licensed.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:17 PM   #22
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We are located about 30 miles west of Augusta GA Right off of I-20.
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Thomson?
I used to live in Grovetown.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:38 PM   #24
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I was asked if you need to be qualified/electicians license to change a ballast.
As far as the licensing in my opinion per the letter of the Mass law yes. Is it handled that way in the real world ......... ?? Not so much.


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Section 1A. No person, firm or corporation shall enter into, engage in, or work at the business or occupation of installing wires, conduits, apparatus, devices, fixtures, or other appliances for carrying or using electricity for light, heat, power, fire warning or security system purposes, unless such person, firm or corporation shall be licensed by the state examiners of electricians in accordance with this chapter and, with respect to security systems, unless such person, firm or corporation shall also be licensed by the commissioner of public safety in accordance with the provisions of sections fifty-seven to sixty-one, inclusive, of chapter one hundred and forty-seven.

This chapter shall not apply to: a person not engaged in the business described in this section who employs or contracts for the services of a person, firm or corporation engaged in such business; or to an apprentice employed by a person, firm or corporation licensed in accordance with this chapter; or to an agent, employee or assistant of a person, firm or corporation licensed in accordance with this chapter who does not engage in or perform the actual work described in this section.
As far as being qualified OSHA requires that the person have specific training in the task to be qualified.

If you are talking about doing it hot that is whole other issue.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:50 PM   #25
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Thomson?
I used to live in Grovetown.
Yes in Thomson. I actually live in Lincoln county.
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Ok, well I wasn't trying to debate on wether licensed electrician is always competent at doing things like changing ballasts. Or that a handy man, general maintenance or homeowner is always unqualified. My point is that our trade is a specialized skill that requires s license, let the licensed people do it. If there is a fire or hazard caused by an EC's workers inferior wiring of something the contractor that is in that business has insurance to cover the situation. I think at commercial, institutional, and industrial places/buildings all maintenance should be taken care of by competent ticketed tradespeople. No offense to any other trades but I would think electricians should handle electrical. Of course there are electricians out there who can't handle changing a ballast, my point never had anything to do with that. I am all about protecting our trade and making sure things are done up to code as much as possible by trained people. Now if you have building general maintenance staff that is properly trained on how to change a ballast by a competent electrician then that should be fine. My problem is people who don't know how thinking they do know and doing improper repairs.
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This thread applies directly to a situation I'm considering RIGHT NOW! I do maintenance on 10 dialysis centers in my area, mostly change ballasts and GFI's. the maintenance guys use to do all of that little stuff for years until the company changed hands and disallowed it, it's good for me! But anyway here is my idea.... What if I employed one of their maintenance guys part time? And at the end of his shift instead of calling me to tell me we have X ballasts out and when can you come? He could just change the ballast as an employee of MINE. He's already there! I could bill for the ballast as usual, pay him handsomely, and still make more than when I have to drop everything and drive there. I would make sure he was competent and able of course, and put him on the books as a part timer.

Seems like someone higher up there wouldn't like it, but technically I'm still assuming liability which is what they're concerned with anyway.

What do y'all think??
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This thread applies directly to a situation I'm considering RIGHT NOW! I do maintenance on 10 dialysis centers in my area, mostly change ballasts and GFI's. the maintenance guys use to do all of that little stuff for years until the company changed hands and disallowed it, it's good for me! But anyway here is my idea.... What if I employed one of their maintenance guys part time? And at the end of his shift instead of calling me to tell me we have X ballasts out and when can you come? He could just change the ballast as an employee of MINE. He's already there! I could bill for the ballast as usual, pay him handsomely, and still make more than when I have to drop everything and drive there. I would make sure he was competent and able of course, and put him on the books as a part timer.

Seems like someone higher up there wouldn't like it, but technically I'm still assuming liability which is what they're concerned with anyway.

What do y'all think??
I disagree,the ballast does not have to be changed ASAP in most cases.I have my general maintenance guys change the lamps and leave a note for me that the ballast is out or if it has other issues.I know I may sound crazy and I know ballast are easy in most cases but most guys that are not electricians that can install them,my worries are if they run into something that they are not familiar with and they just say screw it and hook it just to be done with it.I have seen it many times I will go into a fixture and its hooked up color for color but the new ballast they put in has a different diagram then the old one that to me is waste of money and time for his time and my time all at once.
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I disagree,the ballast does not have to be changed ASAP in most cases.I have my general maintenance guys change the lamps and leave a note for me that the ballast is out or if it has other issues.I know I may sound crazy and I know ballast are easy in most cases but most guys that are not electricians that can install them,my worries are if they run into something that they are not familiar with and they just say screw it and hook it just to be done with it.I have seen it many times I will go into a fixture and its hooked up color for color but the new ballast they put in has a different diagram then the old one that to me is waste of money and time for his time and my time all at once.
These dialysis centers apparently have some kind of "maintenance audit" that comes around every so often. So sometimes they do come at me like its an emergency. I agree that it's an electricians job, but at the same time these guys I'm talking about fix dialysis machines.... They can read a schematic. Probably better than some of my experienced helpers that I allow to change ballasts under my direction.

I'm not settled on the idea one way or another. Just an interesting thing to consider.
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Not being able to buy T12 ballast much longer will probably make finding incorrectly wired ballast more common . I have had a few calls in the last year where they will have a t12 ballast with t8 bulbs or vice versa .
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Here the apprentice would have to be in direct supervision.

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Not being able to buy T12 ballast much longer will probably make finding incorrectly wired ballast more common . I have had a few calls in the last year where they will have a t12 ballast with t8 bulbs or vice versa .
That or maintenance guys wiring an electronic ballast through the tubes like the magnetic ones were. I don't know why they don't take the extra 12 seconds to read the schematic on the ballast to ensure they don't smoke it.
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That or maintenance guys wiring an electronic ballast through the tubes like the magnetic ones were. I don't know why they don't take the extra 12 seconds to read the schematic on the ballast to ensure they don't smoke it.
The reason is they don't know what series and parallel circuits are.A normal qualified electrician should know what that is,it upsets me when a qualified person can't understand simple theory.
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The ones I'm talking about at dialysis are all 4 lamp T8 lay ins. All the same. I wouldn't expect anyone not an electrician to retrofit a t12.
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Had a laborer working for the summer. He worked for Sylvania Lighting to change lamps.All of them in a markets.Changed ballasts too.They did mass relamping.No complaints.

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Had a laborer working for the summer. He worked for Sylvania Lighting to change lamps.All of them in a markets.Changed ballasts too.They did mass relamping.No complaints.
They are probably good,it's different when your site has all the lighting the same brand.But most company's go for the cheapest bid and we have all kinds of ballast,it hard enough to keep the same diffusers LOL I can't even keep up with the diffusers, and we are talking about ballast.
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Had a laborer working for the summer. He worked for Sylvania Lighting to change lamps.All of them in a markets.Changed ballasts too.They did mass relamping.No complaints.
You don't have licensing laws in PA.

Here in MA, where the OP is from we do and I can't put a laborer on electrical work.
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You don't have licensing laws in PA.

Here in MA, where the OP is from we do and I can't put a laborer on electrical work.
Nope.... Only cities and some on the ball towns!

Nothing i hate more is having to pay for 4 licenses grrrr...
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