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Old 05-23-2020, 11:15 PM   #21
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My M18 Hackzall bit the dust this week. Can't remember where I bought it. Dropped it off at my supply house who sends it in to the repair people. See whether it's repaired, replaced, under warranty, who knows.
Milwaukee has some cool stuff, but, Dewalt has been rocking this industry for decades. And they don't seem to be letting up.

Not saying Milwaukee isn't good quality, it's just 2nd place. And a far off 2nd place.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:20 PM   #22
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Milwaukee has some cool stuff, but, Dewalt has been rocking this industry for decades. And they don't seem to be letting up.

Not saying Milwaukee isn't good quality, it's just 2nd place. And a far off 2nd place.
Are you on crack?

On tool selection alone, Milwaukee has left DeWalt in the dust.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:29 PM   #23
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Are you on crack?

On tool selection alone, Milwaukee has left DeWalt in the dust.
Milwaukee hasn't stood the test of time with all their new stuff. Dewalt has.

They do have a nice selection of cool stuff, but really, The Milwaukee hole hog and maybe some regular cordless hammer drills are the only things that have been around for that long. All the rest of their stuff is newer and untested.

Interesting you and I disagree here...we basically flip flop sides when we argue about LEDs...
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I still do not own any DeWalt tools, since they are just another Black & Decker product, I'll stick with Milwaukee, or Makita.
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The red tools are what I've used for years. The plumbing and electrical supply houses I go to have them. I'll get another hackzall or get it repaired, because I'm set up for M18 batteries anyway. Dewalt has a better right angle cordless. The M18 has a small chuck and is wimpy, but it was good enough yesterday to fit into a tight spot. I like the Bosch lasers and my corded hammer drills are Makita, been soldiering on for at least ten plus years.
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I have been using Milwaukee since the V18 stuff came out, that has to be over 10 years and went with M18 and M12 a few years ago. I borrow / lend / share tools with the maintenance shop at one of my customers. Their tools are all Dewalt. I will say right off the bat, it wouldn't be a huge deal to switch brands.

The 12V mini bandsaw is probably the number one thing in favor of Milwaukee, I love that tool. The small 12V battery is kind of nice, but the truth I really only care about that battery in the 12V impact, and it really isn't that big of a deal, the Dewalt 12V impact is also light and easy to carry.

Other than that, I don't see any major difference with SDS drills, drill-drivers, full size impact, etc. as far as what I get done.

Milwaukee is a Chinese owned made in China company. Dewalt is owned by Black and Decker, a US company, and at least "Built in USA." I have no delusions about how little that may mean, but it's better than nothing. This is important to me, in fact I can't believe it's not more important to others.

For durability, I see and hear no real complaints from the people I know that use Dewalt. The maintenance shop tools are used pretty hard but not abused, and they have a great record. I had my Milwaukee M18 fuel drill driver fail in six months with very little use. Others posted here they have had these things fail and their chuck is one of the worst I've ever seen.

My one experience with Milwaukee warranty service was awful. If you have a series of really rude call center people give me a hard time about a repair with a receipt on a six month old tool, it may affect my future purchases. I suspect that now that they've bought so much market, both consumer and pro, with their Home Depot campaign, they're not going to provide the service they may have in the pass.

Bottom line, it's not going to change much about my life whether I go with Milwaukee or Dewalt (and probably Bosch or Makita or etc.). I'll be running out the investment I have the Milwaukee tools I own now, but when it's time to replace them, it's looking like Dewalt.
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I prefer Milwaukee over Dewalt. The corded Dewalt impact wrench has the forward/reverse switch incorporated into the trigger. Have to be careful not to flip directions accidentally while in use. Happens when thick gloves are worn and trips out inverter on truck. The older cordless Milwaukee (don't remember model #) was big and heavy, but smooth. The guys complained about size and weight, but I noted to them it sends less vibration thru you hand/arm/elbow. The stupid little vibrating Dewalt will re-ignite a lateral epicondylitis situation in your elbow and you won't soon forget the pain either
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Back to OP's question, I have never heard of that. I doubt it makes financial sense for manufactures to have two manufacturing lines for circuit breakers, the margin probably doesn't make any sense.
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As far as the breakers go, I've never given it any real thought. Never seen the difference other than packaging or lack of. Buy most of my AFCI from big box stores. No difference there either.
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As far as the breakers go, I've never given it any real thought. Never seen the difference other than packaging or lack of. Buy most of my AFCI from big box stores. No difference there either.

Buy them 8+ at a time at Home Depot for 10% off all of them. If you need less then 8, buy 8 anyways. You can return the extras and keep the discount on the ones you used
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Buy them 8+ at a time at Home Depot for 10% off all of them. If you need less then 8, buy 8 anyways. You can return the extras and keep the discount on the ones you used
Would you believe me if I told you that I still haven’t purchased eight AFCI breakers?
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Buy them 8+ at a time at Home Depot for 10% off all of them. If you need less then 8, buy 8 anyways. You can return the extras and keep the discount on the ones you used
I have to swap out one of those crappy tiny GE 20-40's from the eighties in the next couple of weeks in conjunction with a kitchen remodel. I'll see if I have enough arc faults to get to eight.
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Would you believe me if I told you that I still haven’t purchased eight AFCI breakers?
That's a damned lie! You had to buy at least 3 or 4 back in '99 to install for the bedroom circuits. Even when you yanked them out and installed good breakers to rotate them on to the next job You still needed to buy more to comply with the '04 requirements of combination type. Hell, even if you don't do new construction, an average kitchen reno will set you back at least 5 of those POS

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I have to swap out one of those crappy tiny GE 20-40's from the eighties in the next couple of weeks in conjunction with a kitchen remodel. I'll see if I have enough arc faults to get to eight.
You don't have to need 8. Buy 8 of each type you need and return the extras. A Siemens dual function is $36.72 ea or $33.05 ea when you buy 8. You'll need at least 4 of that breaker for a kitchen reno. Return the extras on your next trip there. That's almost $15 off. Buy your helper and yourself drive thru lunch on me
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I haven't decided on which panel brand to install, because it needs an interlock too. Homey seems to have the best prices on AFCI. At least four, probably six for the other circuits I've touched. May keep the extra's depending on what I buy.
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You don't have to need 8. Buy 8 of each type you need and return the extras. A Siemens dual function is $36.72 ea or $33.05 ea when you buy 8. You'll need at least 4 of that breaker for a kitchen reno. Return the extras on your next trip there. That's almost $15 off. Buy your helper and yourself drive thru lunch on me
Where are you getting a Siemens DF for $36.72? They are $50 normal price here (southern "New England" ) without the volume discount at HD.
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Where are you getting a Siemens DF for $36.72? They are $50 normal price here (southern "New England" ) without the volume discount at HD.
Your favorite store If it makes you feel any better, all the GE stuff north of the fascistchusetts border is still almost full price
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That's a damned lie! You had to buy at least 3 or 4 back in '99 to install for the bedroom circuits. Even when you yanked them out and installed good breakers to rotate them on to the next job You still needed to buy more to comply with the '04 requirements of combination type. Hell, even if you don't do new construction, an average kitchen reno will set you back at least 5 of those POS
99 and 04 ????
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My M18 Hackzall bit the dust this week. Can't remember where I bought it. Dropped it off at my supply house who sends it in to the repair people. See whether it's repaired, replaced, under warranty, who knows.
I always use Milwaukee's E-Service
Print the shipping label, drop it off at any FedEx location and the tool is shipped back repaired or replaced under warranty. With a five year warranty your Hacks-all is under warranty.
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I always use Milwaukee's E-Service
Print the shipping label, drop it off at any FedEx location and the tool is shipped back repaired or replaced under warranty. With a five year warranty your Hacks-all is under warranty.
I think this was the sequence of events with my return. I called the Milwaukee customer service number, they sent me to the web site. I followed the instructions on the web site, which was a little glitched, and sent in the tool (purchased about six months prior) without any receipt or etc.

After a LONG time (weeks I think) they contact me that they've checked the tool and will repair it for a flat rate of $150 or so.

I call in, have a conversation with a hostile customer disservice representative that it was purchased months after the manufacture date.

I go get receipt, follow up, second hostile customer disservice rep insists that it's not covered, ask for a supervisor, equally unpleasant but finally send the receipt and get it covered for free.

Realistically I was about a month without the tool and wasted way too much time arguing with incompetent and barely intelligible customer disservice reps.
Not only pisses me off it's just not worth my time. This is almost where I'd consider these tools have NO warranty, just not worth my time to pursue it.
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I think this was the sequence of events with my return. I called the Milwaukee customer service number, they sent me to the web site. I followed the instructions on the web site, which was a little glitched, and sent in the tool (purchased about six months prior) without any receipt or etc.

After a LONG time (weeks I think) they contact me that they've checked the tool and will repair it for a flat rate of $150 or so.

I call in, have a conversation with a hostile customer disservice representative that it was purchased months after the manufacture date.

I go get receipt, follow up, second hostile customer disservice rep insists that it's not covered, ask for a supervisor, equally unpleasant but finally send the receipt and get it covered for free.

Realistically I was about a month without the tool and wasted way too much time arguing with incompetent and barely intelligible customer disservice reps.
Not only pisses me off it's just not worth my time. This is almost where I'd consider these tools have NO warranty, just not worth my time to pursue it.
I always send it with a receipt. Never had a problem. Usually about a ten day turn around including shipping. I've never called them.
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