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Old 02-15-2015, 03:55 PM   #1
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Installed new conduit run to refeed wall hvac units. Some units have heaters failing so i tapped a 120 volt receptacle from one of the 2pole feeds. I would have split wired the duplex but they are fed from a hi leg panel. Can i du dis?-uploadfromtaptalk1424030086480.jpg
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Old 02-15-2015, 04:03 PM   #2
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Draw that up and submit. Not sure what you have asked. Then mentioning high leg just further confused me.
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Draw that up and submit. Not sure what you have asked. Then mentioning high leg just further confused me.
How is this?
three wire feed, black, orange and white. Orange and black wired to 240 single receptacle. Black tailed to feed 120 volt receptacle. Both are on the same 2 pole breaker. The reason is as the one pictured, the heating element on the hvac failed so portable oil filled heaters are used in liu of wall unit. The only concern i have is people plugging heavy draw items into the 120 volt receptacles while hvac is running.
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As long it is the right sized breaker, it won't hurt anything. If you got paid for two dedicated circuits, you kinda ripped them off.
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three wire feed, black, orange and white. Orange and black wired to 240 single receptacle. Black tailed to feed 120 volt receptacle. Both are on the same 2 pole breaker. The reason is as the one pictured, the heating element on the hvac failed so portable oil filled heaters are used in liu of wall unit. The only concern i have is people plugging heavy draw items into the 120 volt receptacles while hvac is running.
Its a valid concern.......so why do it at all? Hopefully they don't use heavy loads while the AC is on. In my own place I wouldn't hesitate to do it at all.

Was there a reason you couldn't get another hot leg through that pipe to feed the 120 volt receptacle?
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I think u can do dat.. Not even relying on a tap rule for that.
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Looks like Hell. Didn't you want to take time to fish in wall?
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Looks like Hell. Didn't you want to take time to fish in wall?
Thr wall is furred on block which was soaking wet. When i removed the existing receptacle it was rotted #14 bx in a rotted shallow gem on a 20 amp ckt. I didn't feel like recessing a T11 box and snaking carflex in the wall.
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Its a valid concern.......so why do it at all? Hopefully they don't use heavy loads while the AC is on. In my own place I wouldn't hesitate to do it at all.

Was there a reason you couldn't get another hot leg through that pipe to feed the 120 volt receptacle?
Panel space. Lack of it.
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As long it is the right sized breaker, it won't hurt anything. If you got paid for two dedicated circuits, you kinda ripped them off.
Originally just to replace existing. I added the 120 volt receptacle after noticing space heater plugged into a #14 wire branch circuit with a 20 amp breaker for another unit where hvac heat element failed. Its either motel so what can they really plug in that will draw that much?
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Panel space. Lack of it.
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Originally just to replace existing. I added the 120 volt receptacle after noticing space heater plugged into a #14 wire branch circuit with a 20 amp breaker for another unit where hvac heat element failed. Its either motel so what can they really plug in that will draw that much?
In a motel where the guest are usually only there overnight then there most likely wont be much of anything plugged in. Should be fine.


My only question is.....what kind of motel is it? You mentioned soaking wet wall over block and rotted #14 wire.........sounds like a dump.
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In a motel where the guest are usually only there overnight then there most likely wont be much of anything plugged in. Should be fine.


My only question is.....what kind of motel is it? You mentioned soaking wet wall over block and rotted #14 wire.........sounds like a dump.
They have a 10 degree roof pitch. A 1980s remod placed a fake parapit around the edge. During snow season it leaks into the exterior wall. I have been there several times throughout the years in different rooms to refeed or rewire where moisture has caused concealed j boxes and wiring on exterior wall to fail.
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They have a 10 degree roof pitch. A 1980s remod placed a fake parapit around the edge. During snow season it leaks into the exterior wall. I have been there several times throughout the years in different rooms to refeed or rewire where moisture has caused concealed j boxes and wiring on exterior wall to fail.
Glad its yours... but I guess its work.
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Glad its yours... but I guess its work.
Im in no position this time of the year to even let a toggle switch replacement service call pass by. If things get any worse I'll have to place a " flats fixed $10" sign on my truck.
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Im in no position this time of the year to even let a toggle switch replacement service call pass by. If things get any worse I'll have to place a " flats fixed $10" sign on my truck.
Any inside work is good this time of year is good. 0 Degrees here. Whatever outside guys get paid, they are earning it right now.
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They used to or maybe still do make receptacles that are 5-20r on one half and 6-20r on the other.
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They used to or maybe still do make receptacles that are 5-20r on one half and 6-20r on the other.
Yes they do as a duplex. It was a Saturday noon job so HD was all i had. Those were toggle/ duplex 1900 covers. I punched the toggle to a single receptacle.
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Yes they do as a duplex.
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Yes they do as a duplex. It was a Saturday noon job so HD was all i had. Those were toggle/ duplex 1900 covers. I punched the toggle to a single receptacle.

Random Q shock, but do you use schwing? AC? n&s?
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