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mike883 04-04-2019 09:43 PM

can I put the white tape on a #12 black wire to use it as neutral wire?
 
for me, I don't think so, I remember the code book says it shall start bigger than #2 copper,
not a small size like #12 copper

correct me if I am wrong

ppsh 04-04-2019 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mike883 (Post 5184794)
for me, I don't think so, I remember the code book says it shall start bigger than #2 copper,
not a small size like #12 copper

correct me if I am wrong

Is it in a pipe or in a cable?

CoolWill 04-04-2019 09:56 PM

I can... Not legally, but I certainly can do so.

glen1971 04-04-2019 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mike883 (Post 5184794)
for me, I don't think so, I remember the code book says it shall start bigger than #2 copper,
not a small size like #12 copper

correct me if I am wrong

We do it with multi-conductor teck cable all the time (see rule below). I've been on a few places that wanted it covered with white heat shrink all the back to the connector, which violates the rule.

From the 2018 Handbook:
4-030
Subrule 4) allows the insulated neutral conductors in multi-conductor cables to be permanently identified by painting or other means where the internal conductors are accessible and visible. Other acceptable means are coloured insulating tape or coloured heat-shrink tubing. In many cases, these means of identification are easier to apply in the field and can be more permanent than painting.
Subrule 4) requires that, where such means are used to identify insulated neutral conductors, the manufacturer’s numbering of the conductor remain legible.

Southeast Power 04-04-2019 10:23 PM

If it's a cable assembley

macmikeman 04-04-2019 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Southeast Power (Post 5184814)
If it's a cable assembley

READ 200.6. pretty much says any colored wire can be used as a grounded conductor so long as it is properly identified as a white wire. Meaning paint it white. No rules about what wiring method is employed. ***

200.7 gives us the rules about re-identifiying a white conductor to another color such as black or blue for use as an ungrounded conductor. That is where it is limited to cable assemblies.




***- Inspectors cannot fathom this wording from 200.6 and will pull the "I interpret this to mean....." crapola on you every single time they find you trying to re-identify a white wire to another color . But that doesn't change the fact that the code allows it. This is your mactip of the day!

CoolWill 04-04-2019 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Southeast Power (Post 5184814)
If it's a cable assembley

The code allows a white wire in a cable assembly to be used as a hot conductor if re-identified, but I don't think it,goes the other way, that is, another color being used as a neutral.

macmikeman 04-04-2019 10:59 PM

Oh crap, I got this whole thing backwards what the op was asking. I did address Coolwill's statement though. Read the code I posted in your code book.


Coolwill, you just learned something from your ole buddy Mikey............ So now we are 1 / 1000. :vs_laugh:

glen1971 04-04-2019 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by macmikeman (Post 5184820)
READ 200.6. pretty much says any colored wire can be used as a grounded conductor so long as it is properly identified as a white wire. Meaning paint it white. No rules about what wiring method is employed. ***

200.7 gives us the rules about re-identifiying a white conductor to another color such as black or blue for use as an ungrounded conductor. That is where it is limited to cable assemblies.




***- Inspectors cannot fathom this wording from 200.6 and will pull the "I interpret this to mean....." crapola on you every single time they find you trying to re-identify a white wire to another color . But that doesn't change the fact that the code allows it. This is your mactip of the day!

Where is this Section 200 you speak of? My Code Book only goes up to 86.. Guess the 100 of us figured we can't be bothered with the rest.. LMAO!:vs_laugh::vs_laugh:

PS.. The OP is a Canuck!

macmikeman 04-04-2019 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by glen1971 (Post 5184830)
Where is this Section 200 you speak of? My Code Book only goes up to 86.. Guess the 100 of us figured we can't be bothered with the rest.. LMAO!:vs_laugh::vs_laugh:

PS.. The OP is a Canuck!


Cricket should have taken my advise on coloring all threads from the Canadian Code sections.............

I look at new posts. Sometimes I don't see the Canadian part.........

glen1971 04-04-2019 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by macmikeman (Post 5184834)
Cricket should have taken my advise on coloring all threads from the Canadian Code sections.............

I look at new posts. Sometimes I don't see the Canadian part.........

It's all good! Just giving you a hard time on behalf of the hundred of us up here.. lol..

macmikeman 04-04-2019 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by glen1971 (Post 5184836)
It's all good! Just giving you a hard time on behalf of the hundred of us up here.. lol..

Well , you know how I got that number don't you? I got it from 99.........

HertzHound 04-04-2019 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by macmikeman (Post 5184834)
Cricket should have taken my advise on coloring all threads from the Canadian Code sections.............

I look at new posts. Sometimes I don't see the Canadian part.........

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joe-nwt 04-05-2019 09:35 AM

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