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Old 12-08-2016, 09:49 AM   #141
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I used some of these once or twice. Once I was drilling thru the sill for a new service and hit a few of the romex's going up into the wall above the panel. They worked out just fine. looked way better than a j box, but these were also accessible. Now that I thing of it it would work ok for that one wire that is always short in a new panel change out.

Above the panel? oh hell no. WHY?? I guess there's two types of electricians. The ones that trust backstabs and the ones that don't.

You're worried about how it looks above the panel? How about how it WORKS
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Old 12-08-2016, 10:34 AM   #142
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Above the panel? oh hell no. WHY?? I guess there's two types of electricians. The ones that trust backstabs and the ones that don't.

You're worried about how it looks above the panel? How about how it WORKS
I am not going to take that how you worded it as I can out electrician you any day.
These have been in there for 10 years now with no problems and are UL listed for this purpose. Just because you can't or fail to understand how something works doesn't make it complete crap.
Sometimes people can only understand what others tell them and sometimes people actually check something out on their own.
Would I use them everyday? Probably not, do they have their place? Yepper.
Do be so stubborn that you don't try new things. Are you still putting in Mercury Vapor light fixtures?
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Old 12-08-2016, 11:14 AM   #143
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I'm not trying to compete.

I get how it works, I don't like it. I think it looks like **** too.

I'm also surprised to find out so many people use them!

I would never. Just my opinion. Gonna lay off these crazy junction thingies now.
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Do be so stubborn that you don't try new things. Are you still putting in Mercury Vapor light fixtures?
I wouldn't say I won't try new things, I just would choose another method.

Also, the intention of my OP was lost. I have a hard time with the fact that stuff like this is available to homeowners, being advertised as something that can be buried in sheetrock. It obviously has a very specific purpose and should only be used by a qualified individual
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Also, the intention of my OP was lost. I have a hard time with the fact that stuff like this is available to homeowners, being advertised as something that can be buried in sheetrock. It obviously has a very specific purpose and should only be used by a qualified individual
We don't need more government agencies making even more laws regulating even more of our rights.
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Can we talk now about the ten thousand things out there that the majority of electricians do purchase and use that are rubbish? I've been going off on surface mounted range and dryer receptacle outlets and how cheap ass they are made now, how about electronic ballasts with a 3 month shelf life. GFI's that fail inside of three weeks. Residential lighting fixtures are ten times more flakey constructed and shipped than that bury the splice device, yet we put up with it and install them.
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..... how about electronic ballasts with a 3 month shelf life. GFI's that fail inside of three weeks. Residential lighting fixtures are ten times more flakey constructed and shipped than that bury the splice device.....

Stuff like that, i call "job security"
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Can we talk now about the ten thousand things out there that the majority of electricians do purchase and use that are rubbish? I've been going off on surface mounted range and dryer receptacle outlets and how cheap ass they are made now, how about electronic ballasts with a 3 month shelf life. GFI's that fail inside of three weeks. Residential lighting fixtures are ten times more flakey constructed and shipped than that bury the splice device, yet we put up with it and install them.
Stop bitching and go raise your prices for crying out loud.

You see, I could be dismissive your your needs too.

I think you, me, and sbrn33 should become a thrupple.
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Stop bitching and go raise your prices for crying out loud.

You see, I could be dismissive your your needs too.
I can always do that, but I cannot stop fires unless there is a teeny bit of quality in what is available to purchase and install..........
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I'd be much more comfortable with those if it was a torqued screwdriver connection like those UF splice kits, the back stab thing makes me leery
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We need Essex to megger one and see if it is a loose connection or not.
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Above the panel? oh hell no. WHY?? I guess there's two types of electricians. The ones that trust backstabs and the ones that don't.

You're worried about how it looks above the panel? How about how it WORKS
I just finished replacing a receptacle for a customer. The old one was backstabbed and the wires were a bit short and I didn't feel like shutting off the power so I just backstabbed the new receptacle and thought of you.

This connection will last longer than both of us.

Maybe if I backstabbed whole houses worth of devices, tens of thousands of them, I may have a few failures. But doing it a couple dozen times year has yielded a failure rate of 0.0.
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I just finished replacing a receptacle for a customer. The old one was backstabbed and the wires were a bit short and I didn't feel like shutting off the power so I just backstabbed the new receptacle and thought of you.

This connection will last longer than both of us.

Maybe if I backstabbed whole houses worth of devices, tens of thousands of them, I may have a few failures. But doing it a couple dozen times year has yielded a failure rate of 0.0.
I wouldn't sweat one here and there either. But in line with your lever locks, why not upgrade to a better receptacle with pressure plates for the backwires?
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I am not sure how they get around the "accessible" requirement; but these are legal to be buried in walls with no opening. I asked my local inspector and he agrees that they are a shady product by the code allows them... Local codes may shoot them down but they are okay with the NEC.
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I wouldn't sweat one here and there either. But in line with your lever locks, why not upgrade to a better receptacle with pressure plates for the backwires?
Ya know, I ask myself that. I should just get a couple boxes of the good receptacles that can be backwired. Since I am only doing service work, the price doesn't matter.

Even better than the pressure plate under the screw like a washer, I like the GFCI style in which the pressure plate is internal and you insert the wire into a hole. Anyone know if any brand of normal receptacles come that way?
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Ya know, I ask myself that. I should just get a couple boxes of the good receptacles that can be backwired. Since I am only doing service work, the price doesn't matter.

Even better than the pressure plate under the screw like a washer, I like the GFCI style in which the pressure plate is internal and you insert the wire into a hole. Anyone know if any brand of normal receptacles come that way?
Thats the kind I was thinking of, I call them the "other backstab." I know Legrand / P&S has them both regular and decora, and a while back I got Cooper regular ones somewhere.
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We need Essex to megger one and see if it is a loose connection or not.
I think a load bank test to see its failure point would be a much better way to test this. I think if it is ul listed, it has already been done. If you see in my earlier post, that most of the calls I have been on, have been from operator error. I have seen the exact same think with wagos. They were not pushed in all the way from the get go. Especially have seen problems with stranded wire. I know they are rated for, but I myself have struggled installing stranded into them, and will not use them with this type of installation. Maybe you don't mind using your insurance, but I would rather see a good install. Sorry macmikeman, I carried on with my opinion far past where your quote was necessary.
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